To think its scary how messed up and horrible some people are?

Imagine any non criminals getting the same level of quick care and attention they’d get if people like Bravery need hospital care, sincerely doubt hed have to wait on and A&E trolley!

My point is that he was so bad he couldn’t be left unsupervised - he needed two people at all times. That is pretty serious. So how could they then think he was ok to be out unsupervised?

So if he’s trying to mill himself, does that mean that he realises the wrong in his actions?

I don't agree with the death penalty, but if people like him want to commit suicide, they should not only be allowed to, but actually helped.

I read of prisoners being on "suicide watch" by the warders; just let them die.

To me it reads like a problem of non integration between adult/child services which in turn is perhaps exacerbated by the way that the psychiatric diagnostic system is set up. There were repeated attempts to find a suitable setting for him but there are no settings for "people who will likely be diagnosed with psychopathy at age 18". Prior to 18 he couldn't officially receive that diagnosis, so he couldn't access services for people with that diagnosis. This cutoff is problematic imo because for him and other older children who are some years post puberty it's not as though at age 17 and 354 days their behaviour is dramatically different from their behaviour at age 18 precisely, but social and psychiatric services are set up as though this is indeed the case.

I really feel for the nurses. I’m sure they are physically tough and have received lots of training but women being expected to restrain someone like this is madness. He looks to be a pretty big, strong man. He could kill a woman with his bare hands, surely?

We should bring back death by firing squad, or hanging. I wouldn’t mind if my tax payments went towards that rather than keeping him in a cell for probably another 4 decades.

Opinion based on experience?

I disagree.

Yes of course it does- I’m not arguing with you.

How would they have identified he was incurable before he committed that act?! It’s not like it’s a diagnostic test. I’m not really sure what your point is.

is it that No violent ASD / conduct disorder teenager who lives in supported housing should be allowed out in case they are incurable and need to be in broadmoor forever?!

Can't see the point of keeping him around if he wants to go anyway. Assisted suicide would be for the best, in my opinion.

Oh come on now - he wasn’t two-to-one supervision for nothing! He was clearly a major risk but thought to be “getting better” as there was nothing recent. That smacks of a belief he was “curable”.

Weird post then?!

To be fair mental health professionals have probably learnt quite a lot from examining him. Changes were made following a SCR that members of the public and patients will presumably benefit from in future. He’s potentially forced systemic and medical / care changes that no nice law abiding person would’ve done.

No I don't have to lower them and I'm not asking anyone to help me get more satisfied because I know they can't.

I’m against capital punishment but it really does make you wonder what the point is really? What’s he contributing to humanity?

Oh yes, but that was before his crime. Clearly he hadn’t been identified as incapable of rehabilitation or incurable before then- he is now though.

You have very little understanding of humans if you believe anyone would put an unknown attempted child killer before their own children. Is it a genuine condition you have or are you trying to be sarcastic?

He needs putting down he’s dangerous and always will be

Hmmm I disagree. When the Tate attack happened, they were “stepping down” his level of supervision and he was allowed to go into London unaccompanied from a care setting where he was two-to-one supervision.

If that is not a sign that the professionals thought he was “getting better”, I don’t know what is.

Yes you are socialised to say and believe that sadistic attempted child killers matter more than your own children. Well done on your independence of thought.

I realise that not all the money can go on things that benefit me directly or the things I would like them to. That’s life.

its like the Jeremy clarkson article (oh he’s a cunt isn’t he) about all the money going to premature babies so they all live and no money goes to the arts. Society doesn’t work that simplistically.

Yeah that guy is a real menace. He's been horribly violent since early childhood. Had form for beating up his carers and his poor family couldn't live with him due to his issues. Then he threw that poor kid off the Tate.

If he were to try suicide I'd hope the wardens might just turn their backs.

I do think at some point this delusions of luxury era will end ...and the performative insistence on keeping people like this ticking while good people are left to suffer and die will end with it.

But I have no confidence this will be in my lifetime.

Because they are incurably dangerous and unbelievably expensive to keep alive. Bravery here had three people watching him at all times. Imagine your family members could get the same coverage in a&e.