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AIBU - to say Christmas Dinner is not the meal to go wild on flavours?

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StacksOfSnacks · 03/12/2025 21:02

TLDR
My sister has just dropped that she is doing an ‘elevated’ Christmas dinner. Can I politely ask her to keep it simple?

Long Version
My sister and I share a love of food and cooking, we enjoy food and flavours from an array of cultures and will often do dinners composed of a spread of small plates - this is to say that I’m not typically unadventurous or fussy.

We are spending Christmas at hers this year, as we have previously, and were expecting her absolutely delicious yet conventional Christmas dinner. However, she has just excitedly shared what she plans to cook and I’ve been knocked for six. I have no doubts that she has the skills to execute it, and that each element will be delicious, but it seems a bit to busy to have all on one plate, I’m not sure they will mingle well together. And I just love a traditional Christmas dinner and think that it should be left to be simple and tasty, this just won’t feel like Christmas dinner to me. I will put her intended menu below.

I know she’s the host and should cook whatever she wants, and I don’t want to be a Debbie Downer, but I feel this has been dropped on me. I know she would reject me offering to bring a dish or two. We’ve each said many times that having people bring a dish to an occasion like Christmas is more hassle than it’s worth. It’s too late to make alternative plans for Christmas without it being a ‘thing’. I’m a bit gutted, can I say something? If so how?

  • Ballotine Porchetta Turkey
  • Nam Prik Pao Smoked Prime Rib
  • Rosemary Bonito Gravy
  • Fried Sprouts + Cheese Foam + Preserved Lemon + Pistachio Relish
  • Honey Gochujang Carrots
  • Truffle Cauliflower Cheese
  • Marmite Roasted Garlic and Parmesan Roasties
  • Parsnip and pecorino stuffing
  • Sticky Pomegranate Pigs in Blankets
  • Champagne Cranberry Sauce
  • Hazelnut and Nutmeg Bread Sauce
  • Yorkshire Puddings
OP posts:
MySilentLions · 04/12/2025 21:25

gannett · 04/12/2025 07:19

  • Truffle Cauliflower Cheese
  • Marmite Roasted Garlic and Parmesan Roasties
  • Parsnip and pecorino stuffing
  • Sticky Pomegranate Pigs in Blankets
  • Hazelnut and Nutmeg Bread Sauce

I would eat the hell out of those things, at least.

Me too! I was reading it thinking most of it sounded rather delicious, even if I might have to have one plate with some items and then go back for a second plate with different combos!

Truffle cauli cheese sounds amazing!!

AmyDuPlantier · 04/12/2025 21:22

Christmas Dinner is literally the most boring meal that exists. Oh look, some meat and potatoes mmmm so festive and special 🤣

Just enjoy the lovely meal and all her hard work!

Glitchymn1 · 04/12/2025 21:21

No, you don’t mess with Christmas. It’s an awful lot of flavours?! I’m no chef, so who knows.

RessicaJabbit · 04/12/2025 21:18

stayok · 04/12/2025 18:58

Just googled the gravy and found this https://www.joshuaweissman.com/recipes/my-ideal-thanksgiving-dinner
which gives the recipes for a lot of it.

I feel that there's a sort of umami, truffley faction in this meal and a hot/sour Asian faction and I'm not sure how well that will work but I suspect a lot of it is more about having slightly wanky descriptions for perfectly normal things- I suspect that a lot of the elements will seem unremarkable (cranberry, bread sauce, gravy, pigs etc) when you actually come to eat them with the added flavours just being in the background, and the main thing the recipes are doing is making things sound complicated and cheffy. I could describe my cranberry sauce as "cranberry, orange, port, brown sugar and clove sauce with an infusion of cinnamon" but I don't- it's just cranberry sauce and those are the ingredients I use to make cranberry sauce, they don't need listing out for everyone else.

Anyway, I wouldn't say anything- her meal her choice, and it will probably be absolutely fine.

FWIW my view is that at least one or two things on the plate should be very simple- some simple steamed broccoli, say- as a contrast to the richness of the other dishes. But that's just a personal opinion.

That's where OPs sister got her menu from!

fishcalledwonder · 04/12/2025 21:01

I really like the look of the parsnip stuffing. Just googled the recipe. Everything together would be overkill but a couple of fancy sides is nice.

Hayley1256 · 04/12/2025 20:55

I would go and enjoy it but make my own Xmas dinner at some point between Xmas and new year

gannett · 04/12/2025 20:33

StacksOfSnacks · 04/12/2025 08:29

Pomegranate pigs, parsnip stuffing - both Ottolenghi

Marmite roasties - Ruby Bhogal

Cauliflower cheese, bread sauce - I believe she uses Felicity Cloake as her base recipe and adapts from there

These are all really solid chefs to take inspiration from and I would be very heartened!

I think a lot of the negative reactions on this thread are a bit overblown. Ultimately it's fun to have fun with flavour and I bet the majority of those will be delicious.

Those honey and gochujang carrots need to be balanced really carefully though (and kept on the other side of the plate, or preferably on a different plate, to the truffle cauliflower).

StacksOfSnacks · 04/12/2025 20:26

Dutchhouse14 · 04/12/2025 18:07

I love a traditional Xmas dinner so I agree with don't mess with classic,BUT she's cooking and hosting and clearly enjoys doing it.
I would ask if theres gravy and cranberry sauce though and if not bring my own.
Whats for pudding?

Dessert is my job!!!

Chestnut Bûche de Noël
Pomegranate & Campari Granita
Matcha Basque Cheesecake

OP posts:
StacksOfSnacks · 04/12/2025 20:23

parakeet · 04/12/2025 18:12

How do you make marmite roasties?

Pretty sure she uses the recipe that ex-bakeoff contestant Ruby Bhogal shared on instagram. They are good, we have had had them before!

OP posts:
CraftyGin · 04/12/2025 19:03

It sounds lovely, but I agree, the simplicity of a Christmas dinner is what works.

Champagne cranberry sauce is a champagne-offense. Maybe it means cranberry sauce (cranberries and sugar), with a glass of champagne while you are watching the cranberries pop?

I would save the fancy ingredients for canapes. Maybe have one elevated side.

stayok · 04/12/2025 18:58

Just googled the gravy and found this https://www.joshuaweissman.com/recipes/my-ideal-thanksgiving-dinner
which gives the recipes for a lot of it.

I feel that there's a sort of umami, truffley faction in this meal and a hot/sour Asian faction and I'm not sure how well that will work but I suspect a lot of it is more about having slightly wanky descriptions for perfectly normal things- I suspect that a lot of the elements will seem unremarkable (cranberry, bread sauce, gravy, pigs etc) when you actually come to eat them with the added flavours just being in the background, and the main thing the recipes are doing is making things sound complicated and cheffy. I could describe my cranberry sauce as "cranberry, orange, port, brown sugar and clove sauce with an infusion of cinnamon" but I don't- it's just cranberry sauce and those are the ingredients I use to make cranberry sauce, they don't need listing out for everyone else.

Anyway, I wouldn't say anything- her meal her choice, and it will probably be absolutely fine.

FWIW my view is that at least one or two things on the plate should be very simple- some simple steamed broccoli, say- as a contrast to the richness of the other dishes. But that's just a personal opinion.

My Ideal Thanksgiving Dinner | Chef Joshua Weissman

Joshua Weissman's recipes for the ideal Thanksgiving.

https://www.joshuaweissman.com/recipes/my-ideal-thanksgiving-dinner

Magsbd · 04/12/2025 18:49

Far too many different flavours and combinations.
But I would want the traditional Christmas dinner only for Christmas Day. Then leftovers for Boxing Day.

ThreeRandomWordz · 04/12/2025 18:46

Zhu · 03/12/2025 21:36

I don’t think it sounds lovely at all. It sounds like AI wrote a fancy menu out of things that don’t go together.

This. Why would you want fish and rosemary gravy for turkey? Or at all really?

LighthouseLED · 04/12/2025 18:43

I think there are too many flavours that don’t go together - I’d definitely be passing on some of the stuff to try and make a more cohesive meal.

I’ve never heard of bonito, and Google tells me it’s fish. Please tell me Google is wrong and your sister isn’t really making a rosemary and fish gravy?

RedToothBrush · 04/12/2025 18:43

As they say on MasterChef, there needs to be a point to all those flavours and they need to work together. There's too many elements on the plate that just don't work.

I'm adventurous and I don't mind adventurous for Christmas. The problem here isn't adventurous.

The problem is a try hard who doesn't know when to stop and reign it in and marry the flavours together. There's no harmony. It just doesn't sing.

Grace Dent would not approve and GreGg would be super rude and probably make a dodgy comment.

SwirlyShirly · 04/12/2025 18:38

I’m very much looking forward to my sage and onion paxo stuffing this year OP. I might even chop my carrots in to sticks instead of rounds if I’m feeling ‘fancy’. So as far as I’m concerned, yanbu.

RessicaJabbit · 04/12/2025 18:32

parakeet · 04/12/2025 18:12

How do you make marmite roasties?

Mix marmite into the oil, heat up and coat potatoes

parakeet · 04/12/2025 18:12

How do you make marmite roasties?

Dutchhouse14 · 04/12/2025 18:07

I love a traditional Xmas dinner so I agree with don't mess with classic,BUT she's cooking and hosting and clearly enjoys doing it.
I would ask if theres gravy and cranberry sauce though and if not bring my own.
Whats for pudding?

CraverSpud · 04/12/2025 09:06

Boke!

JennyForeigner · 04/12/2025 09:04

I love adventurous food and will happily eat anything that has been deliberately buried in sand, dug up wriggling and sold as extra fermented. My family compete to find the deepest food niche we can.

Those flavour combinations are an abomination though, sorry.

StacksOfSnacks · 04/12/2025 08:50

OK. Having read everything that came in overnight it seems it would be quite rude for me to say anything. I agree that it seems silly to complain about her pulling out all the stops to put on a feast for us - it’s just that she could take a step back, do less work, and I would be happier. Her usual Christmas Dinner is wonderful. We are close, but I’m aware that I don’t want to bring her down when she is excited. To answer a few questions -

  • She’s knows DH & I will eat everything there, so no poor hosting in that regard.
  • Other guests are her teen children who will eat most of it, my little one who isn’t weaning yet. And 5 of her in laws - I’ve met them a couple of times but don’t know them well. DS is typically a good host so I don’t imagine she will serve a meal people can’t/won’t eat. I’m almost certain of no allergies or vegetarians anyway.
  • She is a meticulous planner and thrives under pressure. I can already see her with her timings spreadsheet, figuring out what goes in what oven when... She is incredibly organised and will do as much as possible in the days before.
  • Drinks will be wine - all the varieties! Red, white, sparking. Maybe a tot of port with puds.

My other concern is that she takes a great deal of pride in her cooking and hosting - and in fairness she is typically brilliant. I worry that she may be disappointed if this doesn’t go down as “the best roast ever”.

OP posts:
burnoutbabe · 04/12/2025 08:46

After that lot I’d definitely want to be back at my own home later that day for whatever joys that lot brings my digestive system!

watermybegonias · 04/12/2025 08:43

You should absolutely not go .... and give me her address and let me know what time we will be eating!

Seriously though, she is hosting, she can cook what the hell she likes - and so can you. So do yourself a traditional Christmas dinner another day. If her food doesn't grab you, so what? You have family and food, so be grateful for that and enjoy the whole occasion, take the emphasis off the food.

OhDear111 · 04/12/2025 08:37

@StacksOfSnacks The list of food made me laugh! What a pretentious load of bollocks! She’s no idea about flavour combinations at all. It’s just a list of individual dishes pushed together and NO decent chef would serve this up.

Rosemary goes with lamb. Who wants it in gravy with beef? Or turkey for that matter? She’s making fairly standard vegetables and throwing in extra ingredients with no thought as to suitability. Who wants truffle and marmite on the same plate? Has she ever been to a Michelin starred restaurant? She needs to - she might learn something!

Eat it to be polite but not on the plate at the same time! The execution of some of this isn’t difficult by the way, it’s just stupid. Get your own lovely dinner at home and enjoy every flavour as it comes! (Although I do cook my carrots in butter with star anise - thanks Tom Kerridge!)

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