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OrangeSequin · 03/12/2025 20:47

For some context: SIL is my DH’s brothers girlfriend. She has another child from a previous relationship and also had another baby with DH brother 3 months after I had my first earlier this year.

Theres two situations I wanted to talk about.

First - SIL decided that her baby doesn’t need a cot even though she’s tiny and underweight due to being a premie so she chucked the cot away, bought her a toddler bed and just added the mesh protecters either side. She sent us a photo of baby in the bed with a pillow, quilt, fleece blanket tucked as a bottom sheet and the bed surrounded by teddies.

I mentioned (very kindly) that she shouldn’t have a quilt and pillow due to babies being able to suffocate, especially the size she is. I mentioned how I use a sleeping bag for DS which is what’s recommended.
She told me that it doesn’t matter because her son had the same and he didn’t suffocate… he mostly slept with her because he is non verbal autistic so needed more soothing etc.
Another time I mentioned that my DS is at the age where he’s climbing, pulling himself up so we had to lower his cot to the lowest stage to stop him falling out and I just mentioned to watch out for this stage because those mesh barriers won’t stand a chance.

Another situation is when she sent a photo of her son and baby in the car but the babies car seat was facing forward, she was wearing a puffy coat and the strap was mid way down her arm, not shoulder.
Again, very kindly just mentioned how she should research about the car seat as it’s recommended and a law for all babies under 15 months to rear face as well as they shouldn’t wear a coat due to potential accidents and a blanket will be fine.

She basically went off on one about how I think I’m perfect and my DS is so perfect etc which isn’t the case, I’m just stating actual facts? If anything I’m trying to help her because it’s just standard practice. I don’t think I’m a better person/parent at all! This is my first go at parenting and I’m just following the rules and just suggesting what may be a better choice for her.

Overall am I in the wrong for trying to help?

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flibbertygibbet5 · 03/12/2025 23:17

Hmm it’s a tricky one. Safe sleeping and car safety are obviously very important but as pp have said, she will have had all of this advice and information from a HV and has chosen to do it her way regardless. I can see how you trying to correct her could rub her up the wrong way. Still, if god forbid anything happened to the child I think I’d want to know that I’d done all I could to try to help.

Basically you can’t change things and continuing to try to educate her will just piss her off so I’m really not sure what else you can do.

Thatsalineallright · 03/12/2025 23:07

Nettleskeins · 03/12/2025 22:04

You can win the battle by pointing out her errors but lose the war.
As someone said upthread everyone knows what is safe or advised but they choose not to follow the guidance. The WHO suggests breastfeeding for up to two years, a very young baby isn't meant to be in a car seat for more than an hour, children arent meant to drink milk in the night after the age of one. Co sleeping is not advised. No TV for under twos. Dummies in toddlers are bad for speech. We all know people, or ARE people who don't follow this guidance.

The best way to influence people is to be friends with them and quite often they copy what you are doing, if they like you. Ideas filter through naturally through peer pressure.

So I suppose just pointing out to her what she is doing wrong isn't going to be as effective as modelling your own better way of doing things silently. Post photos of your child snugly strapped in with a blanket. Of a baby lying in his new safe cot on a flat mattress with no teddies. Enjoying a teddy on your lap. Like we all knew it was bad to give our toddlers chocolate biscuits but believed that mini rice cakes were good. It's peer pressure that works not criticism.

I find it difficult watching babies being carted around in car seat systems instead of lying flat in prams. I say nothing. Maybe I should

There are some guidelines that are there to ensure optimal development. Then there are others to ensure a baby doesn't die.

I really think that when it comes to the second type people should speak up about it. In fact wouldn't it be a moral duty? The SIL is actually breaking the law with the forward facing car seat - that's how serious a safety issue it is.

HiCandles · 03/12/2025 23:04

You're not wrong to say it. But sadly she was always going to respond like this. There is no way a parent in 2025 with so much access to information cannot know these things, but she chooses not to care. She chooses to believe it'll never happen to her child.
It's frustrating. I've had similar with a relative. You've tried- you can do no more.

OrangeSequin · 03/12/2025 22:58

theunbreakablecleopatrajones · 03/12/2025 22:57

This is true (albeit less likely than she does and just thinks it's too much faff) but even in this case, the OP should talk to her brother, who is equally the parent of this child.

He is DH brother not mine, I have a better relationship with her than I do him

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theunbreakablecleopatrajones · 03/12/2025 22:57

scottishGirl · 03/12/2025 22:29

I notice a lot of comments are saying SIL will know the guidance and is choosing to not follow it... this may not be the case. I'm a social worker, trust me, there are a lot of parents who do not know the guidance. Just because she has an older child does not mean she will know the guidance 🙃

OP, YANBU

This is true (albeit less likely than she does and just thinks it's too much faff) but even in this case, the OP should talk to her brother, who is equally the parent of this child.

theunbreakablecleopatrajones · 03/12/2025 22:55

She knows all this though, she's just concluded her baby is likely to be fine (it is) and she can't be bothered with it all

So you aren't wrong technically, but yes you are being unreasonable to offer your wisdom.

If you must offer unsolicited advice, direct it at your brother.

BertieBotts · 03/12/2025 22:50

You can't just give that kind of advice unsolicited, it doesn't work it just makes people defensive or feel like you're sneering at them all the time. It helps IME to find a way to ask if they are open to advice but if they say no then you have to absolutely respect that. She has access to the exact same information you have and can choose to look it up for herself (which doesn't mean she is aware of it).

No, not everybody knows all the rules (IME this is a very "chronically online" assumption). And she may even judge you for things you do with your kids, maybe something that just doesn't even register to you or you think is nonsense. It's OK not to agree about everything and there isn't actually one right answer. Even someone's approach to following safety guidelines is not usually entrenched in law. (The car seat one is.)

But also, 99% of the time you can follow the exact opposite of the guidance and nothing bad will happen, so as much as these things look alarming when you've followed the opposite or it feels like an emergency, it probably isn't. The chances of something going catastrophically wrong are not 0, (hence safety advice) but they are low. The kinds of safety rules that we have for babies are useful but they are also based on population level results - common sense things like not throwing them out of a window don't even need to be said as safety advice because it's completely obvious. In fact, most safety advice is given as advice specifically because it's not obvious or might even be opposite to the obvious assumption, because most of the time nothing bad will happen when you do that thing.

I liked this article (not sure if it is a fully free one). https://www.cartoonshateher.com/p/if-you-didnt-have-postpartum-anxiety

If You Didn't Have Postpartum Anxiety, Mom Groups Will Change That

Never before have we been this aware of every danger to our children

https://www.cartoonshateher.com/p/if-you-didnt-have-postpartum-anxiety

scottishGirl · 03/12/2025 22:29

I notice a lot of comments are saying SIL will know the guidance and is choosing to not follow it... this may not be the case. I'm a social worker, trust me, there are a lot of parents who do not know the guidance. Just because she has an older child does not mean she will know the guidance 🙃

OP, YANBU

Tammygirl12 · 03/12/2025 22:26

You are completely right with what you are saying but someone like that is not going to listen to anyone

Springbaby2023 · 03/12/2025 22:18

I wasn’t sure which way to vote - you are not unreasonable to think that your SIL is wrong and putting her baby in harmful situations, but I do think that she probably already knows the guidance and has chosen to ignore it (especially having an older child) so I don’t think you saying anything was ever going to change anything.

wldpwr · 03/12/2025 22:16

canklesmctacotits · 03/12/2025 21:09

All the things that you say are fact are actually guidelines (which for the avoidance of doubt I personally agree with). You know, I’m sure you do, than not following them changes the statistics for serious accidents/death, but doesn’t result in them. So, your SIL and BIL have made their choices about those statistics. Maybe they’re okay with a 2% chance rather than a 0.1% (20 times higher) chance. YABU. And if you think she hasn’t thought about it that deeply or is just stupid (which is what you come across as thinking she is, tbh) there are ways and means of getting the message across that wouldn’t have resulted in the reaction you received. YABU x2.

“I just care for my child’s safety” 🙄

This is the most sensible response here.

You also have to remember that some of the guidelines we have here, although informed by science, are cultural. In Denmark, I saw loads of tiny babies sleeping in prams absolutely surrounded by big blankets and duvets. People in Denmark aren't stupid - the culture around baby sleep is just different (and most babies don't die as a result, because as this post points out, it's increases in tiny risks we're talking about, not guarantees of harm).

Either way, you won't be giving her info she doesn't already know.

LadyBlakeneysHanky · 03/12/2025 22:15

Well, she’s risking her child’s safety. She’s either irresponsible and uncaring or head-numbingly stupid- either way she’s not going to thank you for pointing out the risk she’s taking.

You did the right thing though. The sleeping arrangements - the pillows, duvet, teddies - and the loose harness were both completely unacceptable risks, with the possibility of immediate injury or even death. Very different indeed from letting a child eat crisps.

Jollyjoy · 03/12/2025 22:14

schoolfriend · 03/12/2025 22:08

I think the difficulty here is that lots of people don’t follow the guidelines you’ve described; they don’t get arrested and their kids don’t get taken off them. Her kid would undoubtedly be at less risk if she did as you have suggested but in all cases, the risk of suffocation is tiny.

You’re not wrong OP but lots of people do differently to you and that’s perfectly acceptable (I mean there is no law against it).

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I think this is it. When giving parenting advice, I think you have to be uber sensitive and tread incredibly carefully. I’d be worried about the pillows etc too but I think you have to gauge whether the person knows this is not recommended, and she clearly does. Experienced parents do have more experience of expert advice changing back and forth over the years so likely to be a bit more skeptical. It’s a fine line and your feelings are valid but it does sound like you could have managed the scenario a bit more skilfully.

Nettleskeins · 03/12/2025 22:10

Someone posted a picture on a very big extended family WhatsApp of their baby sleeping face down on a sofa cushion at a big family gathering. Third baby. Grandparents uncles aunts. Not a comment except complimentary. I was thinking oh my goodness but I didn't say anything why would my opinion make a difference if so many people thought this was adorable practice ?

schoolfriend · 03/12/2025 22:08

I think the difficulty here is that lots of people don’t follow the guidelines you’ve described; they don’t get arrested and their kids don’t get taken off them. Her kid would undoubtedly be at less risk if she did as you have suggested but in all cases, the risk of suffocation is tiny.

You’re not wrong OP but lots of people do differently to you and that’s perfectly acceptable (I mean there is no law against it).

CantBreathe90 · 03/12/2025 22:06

AlwaysHopefull89 · 03/12/2025 20:54

Why are you so invested?

About the safety of a tiny infant? In fact, one which is in her family and which she knows isn't being looked after especially well? Most people would be invested.

Nettleskeins · 03/12/2025 22:04

You can win the battle by pointing out her errors but lose the war.
As someone said upthread everyone knows what is safe or advised but they choose not to follow the guidance. The WHO suggests breastfeeding for up to two years, a very young baby isn't meant to be in a car seat for more than an hour, children arent meant to drink milk in the night after the age of one. Co sleeping is not advised. No TV for under twos. Dummies in toddlers are bad for speech. We all know people, or ARE people who don't follow this guidance.

The best way to influence people is to be friends with them and quite often they copy what you are doing, if they like you. Ideas filter through naturally through peer pressure.

So I suppose just pointing out to her what she is doing wrong isn't going to be as effective as modelling your own better way of doing things silently. Post photos of your child snugly strapped in with a blanket. Of a baby lying in his new safe cot on a flat mattress with no teddies. Enjoying a teddy on your lap. Like we all knew it was bad to give our toddlers chocolate biscuits but believed that mini rice cakes were good. It's peer pressure that works not criticism.

I find it difficult watching babies being carted around in car seat systems instead of lying flat in prams. I say nothing. Maybe I should

OrangeSequin · 03/12/2025 21:55

FuzzyWolf · 03/12/2025 21:53

No, it’s because you sound so preachy and despite the poll saying YABU you are completely refusing to see any other of things and just gushingly responding to people who agree with you.

Overwhelmingly people will think what your SIL is doing is wrong but you seem to be persistently and consistently (and mustn’t forget kindly) pointing out everything you disagree with.

You’ve made your decision to allow your child to watch tv and eat the baby equivalent of junk food at his age, despite the evidence suggesting otherwise, and that’s your decision (I made the same one at some point with some of my children, so not judging) but I doubt very much you want people self righteously pointing it out to you.

I feel like there’s a massive difference in a baby eating melty crisps and watching Ms Rachel than sleeping with a duvet and pillow as well as being faced forward in a car seat wearing a puffa jacket.

I’m replying to both positive and negative comments as well…

Each to their own I guess

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FuzzyWolf · 03/12/2025 21:53

OrangeSequin · 03/12/2025 21:43

Thank you!

This is what’s annoying me about some commenters who say I’m acting like I’m perfect because believe me my DS watches TV, eats baby crisps if I need peace doing a chore. I’m not perfect sitting there reading him book all day and making daisy chains ffs. It was from a good intention

No, it’s because you sound so preachy and despite the poll saying YABU you are completely refusing to see any other of things and just gushingly responding to people who agree with you.

Overwhelmingly people will think what your SIL is doing is wrong but you seem to be persistently and consistently (and mustn’t forget kindly) pointing out everything you disagree with.

You’ve made your decision to allow your child to watch tv and eat the baby equivalent of junk food at his age, despite the evidence suggesting otherwise, and that’s your decision (I made the same one at some point with some of my children, so not judging) but I doubt very much you want people self righteously pointing it out to you.

ReadingSoManyThreads · 03/12/2025 21:51

FuzzyWolf · 03/12/2025 21:30

So you’ve written him off as not being worth bringing it up with, yet solely focusing your blame and judgement on her. Why?

Because she's the only one doing any parenting by the sounds of it. He sees it as "her job", apparently.

OrangeSequin · 03/12/2025 21:43

clinellwipe · 03/12/2025 21:38

Advice on something like screentime or food choices I’d say YABU, but the idea of a baby having a pillow and being surrounded by teddies honestly makes me shudder. YANBU.

Thank you!

This is what’s annoying me about some commenters who say I’m acting like I’m perfect because believe me my DS watches TV, eats baby crisps if I need peace doing a chore. I’m not perfect sitting there reading him book all day and making daisy chains ffs. It was from a good intention

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clinellwipe · 03/12/2025 21:38

Advice on something like screentime or food choices I’d say YABU, but the idea of a baby having a pillow and being surrounded by teddies honestly makes me shudder. YANBU.

Vitriolinsanity · 03/12/2025 21:36

You have done what you can. All the advice you have given is correct.

Now all you can do is hope that none of the risks she and BIL are gambling don’t pay out.

OrangeSequin · 03/12/2025 21:35

FuzzyWolf · 03/12/2025 21:29

For someone you don’t hang out with you’ve kindly given an awful lot of advice. She probably feels every time she sees you that you criticise and judge her.

I see her enough we do a lot of things as a family, we’re a big family I gravitate towards others more than I do her.

We’re not friends where we hang out every weekend no.

Also to add we’ve been in this family together for a number of years this is two situations, other time we are absolutely fine

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OrangeSequin · 03/12/2025 21:34

FuzzyWolf · 03/12/2025 21:30

So you’ve written him off as not being worth bringing it up with, yet solely focusing your blame and judgement on her. Why?

I didn’t say I was judging or blaming her, she was the one who sent me the photos so I spoke to her about it because she mainly is the sole parent as he’s working all the time

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