Why can’t we just hang scum like this?

But juries will be wary of sending an innocent person to their death and will be more likely to acquit. Therefore you could find that there are fewer convictions overall.

I am completely opposed to the death penalty. I am completely opposed to police corruption, ineptitude and mistakes that result in innocent people being imprisoned for long periods of time. I am completely opposed to the system that protects the system rather than objectively examining evidence that a mistake was made as soon as it is presented.

However, at least if the individual is still alive, they have a chance at some restitution being made.

Is it acceptable to you to have some innocents jailed for decades? Are you okay with that? Or is it that you accept it's a very unfortunate byproduct of a free society with a legal system?

Imprisonment for decades is the same as execution in all but the name.

Or they, as one of the posters up thread stated, think it's acceptable to have some innocents executed.

According to Google, keeping a man in maximum security prison costs £40-50k a year. There are better things to spend the money on.

Fair enough. If you consider the end of a few innocent people being killed a justifiable means to imperfect justice, then that's your view. I don't agree, but at least you are honest. Respect.

Zero respect to those that try and pretend we have somehow managed to perfect a justice system while no one was looking. Because that is bollocks.

You "forgot" to include those people killed by the murders who go free when someone innocent is hanged in their place. Which is very much an unknown unknown in this foursquare you tried to draw.

No one remembers the four people John Christie was able to kill precisely because an innocent man was hanged. They are very inconvenient, as they will never ever go away and allow the hang 'em high brigade a clear run at barbarism.

It is astonishing that in a month when the mistaken release of prisoners has been a feature, that some people still have enough faith in the justice system to allow it to kill people. They are either dim beyond belief, or very much the sort of people who pull the wings off flies.

I don't see the death penalty as unique in the sense we absolutely have to avoid it ever being inadvertently misused.

In a healthy society we have both liberties and restrictions that come at a human cost. Doctors sometimes make mistakes and kill patients, people die in car accidents, innocent people sometimes lose many years of their lives in prison for crimes they didn't commit. All the above, and more, are tragic occurrences, but we accept that is the cost of a free and functioning society.

I wonder what the stats are re people killed mistakenly against those that have been released after doing their time and gone on to kill again.

People advocating for the death penalty either don't care about mistaken executions, or can't imagine them happening. Or both.

Once you have reached that nadir of rational thought, then it's all about the preformative vengeance dressed up in a faux concern for victims (who, let's be frank, nobody gave a shit about when they were alive) and topped with a generous dose of "If not this then that" aimed at criticism in an attempt to whip up mob rule.

We must never ever give the government the right to kill us. Not under any circumstances. The potential for it to end badly is huge.

Personally I think that looking at actual harm done, as opposed to how vile the crime is, this one ranks pretty low. Lower in fact than house burglars - whom I do think should be hanged.

Yeh but everyone has to pay for these creatures food and care in prison the point in putting them down is so they are no longer a burden on the earth

When these types of crimes are proven without doubt I don’t disagree with these Tudor methods of punishment,
how sad for the parents of this school

Oh give me a break!

it’s ok to call people scum when they are. People that abuse babies are absolutely scum. Why would you even bother trying to defend them?! It’s such a fucking weird reaction 🤢🤢

I thought we were discussing whether or not we should bring back the death penalty?

I was just pointing out that videos can very easily be faked, so having a video of someone doing something is not incontravertible evidence of guilt.

It's not a debating tatic I have much sympathy with, pretending that if someone doesn't agree with you it must be beacuse they lack empathy for the victims of child sexual abuse.

Do you know what? Pontifications about baby rapists make me feel physically sick.
Good luck to you all. I can’t stomach this any more.

He’s not “extremely likely”. He’s 100% guilty.

He filmed himself sexually abusing toddlers.

There is no “likelihood”

What are you even arguing about at this point? You seem far more interested in being “right” than what the babies and toddlers, 100%, without any doubt AT ALL endured and what their parents will have to live with.

What do you think other paedophiles in active society will do if a paedophile gets hanged?

See no point in not killing their victims.

Albert Pierrepoint, the last hangman, said that he didn't believe that the threat of hanging has deterred even one murderer.

If they death penalty worked as a deterrent, there would have been no murders while it was on the books. So no, it doesn't act as a deterrent.

But all convictions are supposed to be beyond all reasonable doubt. Lucy Letby was sentenced to 8 whole life orders I think. This is as severe as you can get under the present system. So she definitely would have been hung if we had the death penalty.

I am not saying this man is innocent. In fact he seems extremely likely to be guilty, his crime is abhorrent and I am very pleased he is in jail.

However it is worth considering that digital video is nothing but a large number of zeros and ones. With current advances in technology, it would be perfectly possible to create very realistic video footage of people commiting crimes when they had done nothing of the sort.

As long his avoids the burning sugar poored over him or the shit in his shepherd pie or the piss in his coffee, he will be OK isolated and locked up 33 hours a day. Of course he is just waiting for the blade into the eye. Never knowing when, but knowing even a lostprophet is found by them eventually. There are worse things than death.

There was video evidence of this man abusing babies.

This isn’t a “beyond reasonable doubt” situation

What do you think other paedophiles in active society will do if a paedophile gets hanged? Sometimes it's not about the punishment, it's about how a message can be put across to anyone thinking of carrying out the same heinous crime.

Prison isn't really the powerful "don't do this or else" that it used to be to criminals because it doesn't think in the same way a criminal does.