Why can’t we just hang scum like this?

Because it's illogical. We imprison people for murder because killing people is wrong. Yet people will advocate killing convicted murderers "because killing people is wrong". It's nonsensical.

That's not true, whole life orders exist.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prisoners_with_whole_life_orders

Other prisoners with life sentences can be recalled to jail at any point once they've been released.

In your opinion.

That's two male nursery workers in a few weeks who have abused children this way. Does anyone else have male nursery nurses in their child's nursery? I know it's not every man, but it's overwhelming usually men who commit these type of offences.

I’m against death penalty, but also as someone who has been involved in legal proceedings following SA I strongly suspect that the seriousness of the death penalty would also put some people off reporting or disclosing SA

Yes, 'better than that'. That's why we incarcerate some in solitary confinement in glass cages 23 hrs a day for 46 years and counting !

No one in this country goes to jail for the rest of their lives (unless they die in prison).

If they don’t die in prison then they get out.
That is bad enough when you have someone with a twisted mindset, but if they’ve been in jail for 15-20years plus a twisted mindset, then they’re going to be even more messed up.

If he gets 30 years, he’ll not need to serve all of them and could easily be in an open prison in half that time.

He is 100% guilty because there’s video evidence.
So if the death penalty was a thing, he’d be an ideal candidate.

For those who are not 100% guilty, they are able to get plea hearings and review their cases and so I do not think the death penalty is for them.

Timothy Evans and Derek Bentley

And because prison is punishment. He will be lucky not to be killed while he's in there. It will be an awful existence. He will suffer, as he should.

Yes id be happy with this / I'm in no way advocating for this on any sort of US/China/Iran scale.
And I do mean euthanasia rather than execution

So you are happy to send people where it's 99% to jail for the rest of their life ?
Surely by that logic it should be 99% of their life ?

Was that really worth typing?? 🙄

Don't have to execute them. I'd be quite happy if they served 50,60, 70 years inside. A living hell worse than death. Oh, and only the basics, to keep the costs down !

I agree with the idea in theory; there are definitely some people that commit crimes so awful that they do not need to be alive.

But there is no system that can apply the death penalty so that no innocent person is convicted or killed. So it should not be used.

Studies in the US suggest that around 4% of all inmates on Death Row are innocent and since 1973 200 former death row inmates were wrongly convicted, sentenced to death and then exonerated. There's just too much room for error.

Because as a nation we made the democratic choice to be better than that.

How can we know how long someone will live?

Because no government should have the right to murder it’s citizens.

I'd argue it's more inhuman to lock someone up for 50 years - other than keeping them out of society what's the point?

If somebody has the mindset that means re-offending can be expected so that release is not on the cards at all then surely the humane thing, actually, would be to bring their life to a close rather than have them staring at decades of incarceration with no reprieve - in those circs and with their mindset attacks on prison staff are almost inevitable as what further consequences could you throw at someone like that?

A "humane" full life term sentence has a high "punitive" element to it when actually punishing someone "for the rest of their life" doesn't really achieve anything.

Offenders like Levi Bellfield, Ian Watkins, Peter Sutcliffe have people from all over the world writing to them and engaging with them fuelling their grandiose ideas of their own importance and fame. I'd rather just be rid of them.

Some people say that people are falsely convicted which does happen but the death penalty would be for those who are 100% guilty, like this man.

So you are happy to send people where it's 99% to jail for the rest of their life ?

Surely by that logic it should be 99% of their life ?

I wonder how many people here would have a bleeding heart for convicted and executed murderer Ruth Ellis ?

It’s a difficult one.

On one hand, why should we pay for these monsters to live in protected accommodation amongst other monsters who share stories and pornography and create a wider peado circle.
They’re not going to come out of prison and suddenly not want to harm little kids anymore.

But on the other hand, death is too easy.
So many people kill themselves because it is easier than having to live with the consequences.
Sometimes it’s from guilt, sometimes it’s from being attacked by the other prisoners/guards and sometimes it’s because they’re scared of being released.

If the death penalty was legal then this man who had video evidence would be on the list.
Some people say that people are falsely convicted which does happen but the death penalty would be for those who are 100% guilty, like this man.

At the very least these men need to be chemically castrated.

Well that's an idea.

We (the Great British Public) gets one hanging a year. Done by a sort of X-Factor viewer poll. Ant and Dec could host.

Each entry costs £5, and the winning entry gets to nominate their Tyburn Jigger of the year.

With T-Shirts and at least 20 US states primed to buy the format we could get the UK back into shape in no times.

Looks like I've got the hang of this thread now.

I'm just as horrified by his actions but I don't agree with capital punishment. I believe that human life is sacred and nobody has the right to take someone elses life. I do hope that he is punished severely and kept away from the rest of us for ever.

He will be in fear for his life every day, though. Look what happened to Ian Watkins and others.

I'll never support the death penalty for 2 reasons, 1 because someone needs to actually give that sentence and another needs to carry out that sentence and I can't expect someone else to do something I couldn't. And 2 because someone i know suffered due to the person who abused them dying in prison. It hurt them to know he had escaped his sentence.

Exactly. But I think in the two cases I mentioned there is no doubt whatsoever. That said, Wayne Couzens wouldn't have pleaded guilty if the death penalty had awaited him.

He should be sent to Wakefield prison to serve his sentence . They deal very well with paedophiles there!