Why can’t we just hang scum like this?

Rape ceased to be a capital crime in 1841.

It would be beyond petty pedantry to say that meat is hung, men are hanged 😀

For as long as I’ve read we’ve never hung rapists. 🙄. Or not for many, many decades.

Less than a minute ago I just typed "If the UK never has another referendum again it would be too soon".

Referendums rarely solve anything. As 2016 proved.

I would love a referendum - there are a lot of things that need a democratic decision that us plebs feel very very very strongly about.

What the hell is going on with the people in this damn country?

They are slowly being allowed to have their voices heard in complex moral and ethical issues rather than being told what to think by an authoritarian government and dogmatic enshrined religious institution ?

Might be an answer ?

So why is it that we have state-sponsored assisted dying now? And we've now made abortion legal up to the point of birth?

It sounds a lot like we don't really value life when we not only push for the elderly to be allowed to die, abort full term babies and then let humans that take lives or at least the innocence of lives and then allow them to carry on breathing the same air of those they wronged.

What the hell is going on with the people in this damn country?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visible_Human_Project#Donors

People on here are scary 😨 .

I’d prefer it, if they could do something useful for society and be used for testing new medications…I mean there might be a few ethical hoops to jump through, but you know ‘for the greater good’ and all that!

Exactly !

Only someone with something to hide has no police record.

True. The Birmingham 6 had never been convicted of anything prior to their arrests but they were guilty of one of the most heinous crimes of the day, namely being Irish, so that was ok.

Three of the Guildford 4 had previous involvement in petty crime but were also either guilty of the same heinous crime of being Irish or, in the case of Carole Richardson, associating with Irish people.

None of the Maguire 7, including the 13 year old boy, had committed any crime other than being Irish or of Irish descent. The 13 year old boy was convicted age 14 and spent 4 years in an adult high security prison. That's what you get for having an upstanding, law-abiding mother who happened to be Irish.

I think the PP is coming from a place where no one in their family would ever be wrongfully convicted.

I mean how many of these so called "innocents" have probably committed some other crime they weren't charged with ? You only have to read MN to realise how many guilty people get off by the jury not seeing what is plainly obvious to the world.

So would you be ok with you or a loved one being executed despite being innocent?

People who whine about the cost of imprisonment as a justification are literally putting a price on human life.

Not figuratively, Not metaphorically. Literally.

It's a shame they can't be honest about it, as it might make some people suspect they are ashamed of it.

Yes true but I thought that was covered by arbitrary power of the state / powerful.

Also, it wouldn't be that pp who gets to decide who deserves human rights and who doesn't. That's the problem. I kind of trust that most ordinary people aren't completely amoral but they are not rhe ones who would get to decide. It would genuinely just be whoever is (probably rich) and powerful at that time.

Yes it's not great and should be avoided as much as possible but some people need to be kept away to keep society safe and sometimes we get it wrong about who that is. However that's necessary. It's just expensive. The death penalty is just not necessary when you have the option of imprisoning people for life so why indulge in it? Just for the sake of blood Lust? Should we live in a society thst promotes blood Lust? Shouldn't we strive to be better than that?

Being imprisoned for life is not the same as being dead.

You don't waive human rights unless he turned into a different species by what he did. They are rights that you have by virtue of being human. Just human.

I think the missing step between the PPs assertion and your reply is that the PP and their elk get to decide who is human. Presumably using the same books their ancestors used to decide that Africans weren't human and so could be enslaved. And they should be applauded for that. It would be a gross waste to have to reprint them.

You don't waive human rights unless he turned into a different species by what he did. They are rights that you have by virtue of being human. Just human. Not a good human or not even not a completely terrible human. Completely terrible humans are still human and still need protection from the arbitrary power of the state (or the powerful whoever that may be).

There are so many arguments against the death penalty and I think people have heard them so often that it's really pointless listing them again.

For me the crux is that we are who we are just by the luck of the draw. More importantly maybe, a society that sanctions killing is pretty much always not very good to the living either.

Again, I don't agree. But respect for honesty.

Not being able to hang evil pieces of shit like this is the price we pay for preventing the wrongful execution of innocent people.

It's not worth it.

So Paul Hollywood will be deciding the fate of everyone up in court?

Yes, but that was before we had Strictly Come Dancing and Bake Off.

Yeah. Because Diplock courts worked so well in Northern Ireland.

That's easy to fix.

Get rid of juries.

Yes, that was the case when it was on the books.