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To go from four to five kids?

268 replies

Eaglesfortea · 03/12/2025 13:08

We have SD12, SD10, SS7 and DD1. We have SC every other weekend, one night in the week and in the holidays, can’t have them more due to their mum moving to the other side of the city, which is 45m drive in peak time. As they’re getting older, they’re finding more reasons to stay at their mum’s, which I think is normal as it’s closer to schools and their friends (plus later curfew and more gaming time and the like).

Pros:

  • I want DD to have a sibling to grow up with. I’m an only child with no cousins, DP’s only brother lives abroad and cousins aren’t close so no cousins nearby and we moved to this city to follow SC’s mum so we don’t have close friends nearby either
  • could afford it, we have all the baby stuff already, I get a generous maternity leave and we wouldn’t need to change car
  • we have enough room, though baby would need to share with DD until they’re at school when I’ll go back to full time work and we’d do an attic conversion to give them a room each
  • I just don’t feel done yet

Cons:

  • time and money will be more stretched between the children
  • I’m 39 so possibly more risky
  • DP isn’t keen as he says he’s been changing nappies for over a decade!
  • environmental impact?

YABU - don’t do it
YANBU - go for it

OP posts:
AreWeThereYet25 · 03/12/2025 17:43

HHHMMM · 03/12/2025 17:15

With all respect, with the salary under 100k it doesn't make a big difference whether it is four or five children.
It is really a difference between private schools/lush holidays/buying a Tesla or other measurable difference to lifestyle; we are probably talking about not getting takeaways or not updating the phone to the latest model. Hardly heartbreaking for most grown-ups.

Absolute nonsense! Of course it makes a difference. Nursery fees for a start so OP can continue working? You do work @Eaglesfortea ?

BernardButlersBra · 03/12/2025 17:40

AreWeThereYet25 · 03/12/2025 17:00

Ok so you are asking your dp to support 5 children, not 4, whilst you just concentrate on supporting two. I can see why he's not keen.

Why would she get that financially involved with her husbands children from a previous marriage?! They already have 2 parents. Plus if she’s paying towards the family home with her husband then she is already financially subsidising them l would imagine

Isittimeformynapyet · 03/12/2025 17:38

Ansjovis · 03/12/2025 17:30

I've seen far too many "I've just had my second child and my partner/husband can't cope" threads that very quickly uncover that the man wasn't keen but went along with it to keep the peace to recommend this unfortunately.

Well you will if you're on MN 🤷🏻

InlandTaipan · 03/12/2025 17:38

Also, you've said that you could fund 2 children by yourself. Could your dh fund 5 children by himself?

InlandTaipan · 03/12/2025 17:35

Eaglesfortea · 03/12/2025 16:47

Illness, disability or death could strike any of the six of us now though. I don’t think one additional child changes much.

Well it would make things at least 20% more difficult, possibly more

Isittimeformynapyet · 03/12/2025 17:33

Dweetfidilove · 03/12/2025 16:45

Be wary of a man who's not keen on more children, but will go along with what you want. Think about how you'd fare as a single parent to one or two children.

She has.

Mariammaom · 03/12/2025 17:33

AreWeThereYet25 · 03/12/2025 17:00

Ok so you are asking your dp to support 5 children, not 4, whilst you just concentrate on supporting two. I can see why he's not keen.

I can also see why the older stepchildren are probably also not keen to have another step sibling! It’s a lot for one father to support 5 children!!

gldd · 03/12/2025 17:31

Aluna · 03/12/2025 15:59

This is a really mean-spirited little post and completely irrelevant to the OP.

It is indeed much easier to access excellent music teaching if you’re wealthy middle class. Few if any state schools have the kind of music departments that private schools have, and all the specialist music schools - Purcell, Cheethams, Menuhin etc, are fee paying.

Edited

I didn't write anything about private schools. It may be slightly irrelevant, but it does illustrate a point. Which is, it's also easier to access excellent music teaching (or anything) if you have the number of children you can afford to do it for.

Ansjovis · 03/12/2025 17:30

I've seen far too many "I've just had my second child and my partner/husband can't cope" threads that very quickly uncover that the man wasn't keen but went along with it to keep the peace to recommend this unfortunately.

Cucy · 03/12/2025 17:27

Could you cope if the 3 SC lived with you FT and then the new baby had a disability?

What if your DP left or died?

I personally think it’s a fine idea.
I don’t think your DC/SDCs are going to be massively impacted negatively from it.

But obviously your DH needs to be on board 100%.
The last thing you want is for him to feel resentment towards you or the baby which will affect the relationship.

If his only gripe is having to change nappies then it’s not that good of an argument considering he has a 1YO already.
It would be completely different if all the kids were older and he didn’t want to start again.

Kuretake · 03/12/2025 17:25

It sounds like your DP isn't that unkeen given that he's having unprotected sex.

I am intrigued that you think the 10 year old and 12 year old won't go to university - do they have SEN which would preclude this?

HHHMMM · 03/12/2025 17:15

AreWeThereYet25 · 03/12/2025 17:00

Ok so you are asking your dp to support 5 children, not 4, whilst you just concentrate on supporting two. I can see why he's not keen.

With all respect, with the salary under 100k it doesn't make a big difference whether it is four or five children.
It is really a difference between private schools/lush holidays/buying a Tesla or other measurable difference to lifestyle; we are probably talking about not getting takeaways or not updating the phone to the latest model. Hardly heartbreaking for most grown-ups.

AreWeThereYet25 · 03/12/2025 17:00

Eaglesfortea · 03/12/2025 16:57

If there was a genuine need to give additional money to one of the SC then of course I’d support it. Otherwise I’d expect him to treat all of them equally financially, as he always has to date and has always said he will with regards to things like inheritances.

Ok so you are asking your dp to support 5 children, not 4, whilst you just concentrate on supporting two. I can see why he's not keen.

Eaglesfortea · 03/12/2025 16:57

AreWeThereYet25 · 03/12/2025 16:46

Would you really be happy if your dp left you to solely fund your second child into adulthood because he needed to give what money he had to his first dc? I highly doubt that.

If there was a genuine need to give additional money to one of the SC then of course I’d support it. Otherwise I’d expect him to treat all of them equally financially, as he always has to date and has always said he will with regards to things like inheritances.

OP posts:
Inthebitterend · 03/12/2025 16:55

Eaglesfortea · 03/12/2025 16:13

Weird take. Do you think I’m forcing him into non-consensual sex…?

No. I was responding to someone basically saying "not keen" isn't a "no", which it is, because it isn't a yes.

I acknowledge he continues to have sex with you despite knowing no contraception is involved. But he told you he isn't keen, which means both of you shouldn't be pursuing having another child.

Eaglesfortea · 03/12/2025 16:50

HHHMMM · 03/12/2025 16:46

The other critical thing to think about is to do a bit of soul searching at what cost you want a second child and your attitude at pregnancy termination in general.

Consider how you are likely to proceed when at 12 weeks screening it is Down's syndrome diagnosed; or at 20 weeks screening brain abnormalities defects. Will you consider both options available, or only one, whatever the option is?

I’d have a TFMR in both circumstances. I don’t think the alternative would be fair to the existing children.

OP posts:
logsahc · 03/12/2025 16:47

AreWeThereYet25 · 03/12/2025 16:46

Would you really be happy if your dp left you to solely fund your second child into adulthood because he needed to give what money he had to his first dc? I highly doubt that.

Or if he needed to give it to his next family. Because apparently previous children don’t count, you just start afresh and reset the counter.

Eaglesfortea · 03/12/2025 16:47

Aluna · 03/12/2025 16:42

That’s not actually the point of the post. Aging brings illness and disability, it can mean going down to one income. Middle age is when illness starts to strike.

They might be able to stretch to 5 kids now on the right side of 40, they’re relatively fit and at full earning capacity, but things might look very different in a few years if ill health or redundancy kicks in.

Equally, things might look very different with sick or disabled or ND child.

Illness, disability or death could strike any of the six of us now though. I don’t think one additional child changes much.

OP posts:
AreWeThereYet25 · 03/12/2025 16:46

Eaglesfortea · 03/12/2025 16:41

Respectfully, when SC are adults, I wouldn’t expect to be funding them. If they needed to live in our house for a period of time that’d be fine, but costs like housing deposits should come from their parents.

I’ve already said I could afford to fund two children by myself if it comes to it, and that extends to adult support. So whilst DP’s contribution would be welcomed, it’s not a deciding factor.

Would you really be happy if your dp left you to solely fund your second child into adulthood because he needed to give what money he had to his first dc? I highly doubt that.

HHHMMM · 03/12/2025 16:46

Eaglesfortea · 03/12/2025 16:29

Thank you, good advice. I’ve been thinking of a cut off when turning 41 or 42. We wouldn’t do IVF.

The other critical thing to think about is to do a bit of soul searching at what cost you want a second child and your attitude at pregnancy termination in general.

Consider how you are likely to proceed when at 12 weeks screening it is Down's syndrome diagnosed; or at 20 weeks screening brain abnormalities defects. Will you consider both options available, or only one, whatever the option is?

Dweetfidilove · 03/12/2025 16:45

Be wary of a man who's not keen on more children, but will go along with what you want. Think about how you'd fare as a single parent to one or two children.

Aluna · 03/12/2025 16:42

Isittimeformynapyet · 03/12/2025 16:33

A few posters have mentioned this (so not picking on you), but if "I might die" was a reason not to have children nobody would ever have any!

I got the feeling the op's partner is not keen on balance, but might get on board fairly easily - we can't really tell though, with only OP's side to go on.

That’s not actually the point of the post. Aging brings illness and disability, it can mean going down to one income. Middle age is when illness starts to strike.

They might be able to stretch to 5 kids now on the right side of 40, they’re relatively fit and at full earning capacity, but things might look very different in a few years if ill health or redundancy kicks in.

Equally, things might look very different with sick or disabled or ND child.

Eaglesfortea · 03/12/2025 16:41

Mariammaom · 03/12/2025 16:29

Ignore the posters about the finances? Why??

We currently have three adult children between 19 and 24 and it is extremely hard for them to save any money and/or move out without our financial help. Why is that not something to consider??

Respectfully, when SC are adults, I wouldn’t expect to be funding them. If they needed to live in our house for a period of time that’d be fine, but costs like housing deposits should come from their parents.

I’ve already said I could afford to fund two children by myself if it comes to it, and that extends to adult support. So whilst DP’s contribution would be welcomed, it’s not a deciding factor.

OP posts:
Squirrelmirrel2 · 03/12/2025 16:40

Eaglesfortea · 03/12/2025 16:36

I was being facetious.

Can you see how angry this topic makes so many mumsnetters? Nothing riles them more than people wanting a larger family than 2 children. And when step children are involved? The father must be an arsehole!
People become very invested in making sure you know you are making a terrible decision. I've seen these threads time and time again. Personally I wouldn't pay too much attention 😁

HHHMMM · 03/12/2025 16:39

Mariammaom · 03/12/2025 16:29

Ignore the posters about the finances? Why??

We currently have three adult children between 19 and 24 and it is extremely hard for them to save any money and/or move out without our financial help. Why is that not something to consider??

Because I read the OP's posts in details.

  1. she is a high earner, so she has skills to provide income and make good decisions;
  2. she has investments, so has skills to do financial planning and has her spending and budgeting under control;
  3. she is an only child - likely to get some inheritance that will be passed on;
  4. she doesn't ask whether she can afford the child;
  5. .. and the most important thing she gives impression of sensible level headed person answering patiently and reasonably on all the attacks about his partner not being a good dad, how dare to want for a second child and so will be able to deal with the things coming, whatever it is.
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