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Massive increase in cost for lessons, is this normal?

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WouldRatherBeOnaBeach · 03/12/2025 02:18

As per title, one of my children has flute lessons. Heard last night from the teacher guy that the lesson will be going up from £32 to £40 in the new year, for the same amount of time.

Daughter loves the lessons, but our money is very tight. Husband gives me £85 for the week and I have to find this lesson money out of it as well as feed a household of 5.

I dont understand if things are going up by 3% (or whatever it is ), how are some things going up by SO much. Hubby says I should just pay it as the teacher might not have increased his rates for years, but we’ve only been doing the lessons since the summer and the percentage increase feels huge.

(The teacher is a guy my husband used to work with, not sure if this could be why he just wants me to shut up and pay, to save his embarrassment?!)

I already find it such a juggle to make sure everything is covered on such a low income, I am feeling sad that I now have this additional stress.

Is it me? Am I being unreasonable??

OP posts:
DurinsBane · 03/12/2025 13:45

WouldRatherBeOnaBeach · 03/12/2025 13:32

Just to explain, the flat covers its own costs, there is no extra….the rent is around normal for the area..

From my husbands earnings, we have to pay all bills at the house we are in (energy is very high as the houses are neglected), also we pay tax on the income from the flat, plus insurances on both houses, (vicars don’t get insurance paid on the vicarage, no), so where we live plus the landlords insurance.
Then we also pay insurances and associated car related costs. Plus we are still paying back a debt that was run up while my husband did his training.
it’s not that my husband is keeping money from me, only that his wage is low.

Edited

I wouldn’t pay building insurance on the vicarage, as you don’t own it. Obviously contents insurance, but I wouldn’t pay that on the flat as I assume you don’t have contents in it. So you should still be only paying one houses worth of insurance, just maybe one of each type for each property

KittyFinlay · 03/12/2025 13:43

Raising the cost of lessons by 25% is unreasonable. Is it an hour? I pay £24 for my daughter's half hour singing lessons.

It's also very obvious that your husband cannot afford to support 3 children and a wife on his current salary, and if his role means that you are not able to work, he needs to get another job, either one that enables you to work or that pays more.

Bobiverse · 03/12/2025 13:40

icallshade · 03/12/2025 13:35

OP your whole post makes no sense.
I appreciate you are a 1 income household of £1997 but with no rent or mortgage I cannot see how you are left with £85 per week after bills, nor how you are feeding (even a vegetarian) family of 5 on £50ish a week.

Even with your gas/electric bill at £550 a month- where is there other £1400 going?!

I also categorically cannot believe you are feeding a full, balanced diet to 5 people for £50 unless you are topping up with food banks etc. We are a family of 4 and I spend £8.25 on milk per week (20 pints per week)- that's almost 1/5th of your budget on milk ALONE.

Something isnt adding up here.

Edited

I can believe the food cost thing. When money is tight for me, I cook veggie for a week or two and with me and two kids, I can feed us well for about £30.

Bobiverse · 03/12/2025 13:39

How old are all your kids?
Why can’t you get a job and use childminders and after school care like everyone else with kids? Plenty of people have spouses who are on call, but it doesn’t matter as the kids are in school and childcare during their working hours.

Get a job?

icallshade · 03/12/2025 13:35

OP your whole post makes no sense.
I appreciate you are a 1 income household of £1997 but with no rent or mortgage I cannot see how you are left with £85 per week after bills, nor how you are feeding (even a vegetarian) family of 5 on £50ish a week.

Even with your gas/electric bill at £550 a month- where is there other £1400 going?!

I also categorically cannot believe you are feeding a full, balanced diet to 5 people for £50 unless you are topping up with food banks etc. We are a family of 4 and I spend £8.25 on milk per week (20 pints per week)- that's almost 1/5th of your budget on milk ALONE.

Something isnt adding up here.

lanthanum · 03/12/2025 13:34

A few thoughts:

  1. How long are her lessons? If you also have a newborn, I'm guessing she's not that old, and a 20/30 minute lesson would be appropriate. If she's having longer, ask about shorter.
  2. Musicians Union recommends £44/hour, as a comparison. If a teacher hasn't put up their rates for a while, so it ends up being a big jump, they sometimes phase it in, charging the new rate for new pupils, and increasing it more gradually for existing pupils. It would be very reasonable to explain to the teacher that you don't think you can afford that big an increase. He may be willing to cut the lesson length or frequency, or to keep the price a bit lower for his friend's child.
  3. Apply to the Rustat Trust (https://www.jesus.cam.ac.uk/chapel-and-choir/about-chapel/clergy-family-grants). It's worth checking out what else is available for clergy families - another one is at www.clergysupport.org.uk. I'm from a clergy family, and both those two charities were very supportive.
WouldRatherBeOnaBeach · 03/12/2025 13:32

Just to explain, the flat covers its own costs, there is no extra….the rent is around normal for the area..

From my husbands earnings, we have to pay all bills at the house we are in (energy is very high as the houses are neglected), also we pay tax on the income from the flat, plus insurances on both houses, (vicars don’t get insurance paid on the vicarage, no), so where we live plus the landlords insurance.
Then we also pay insurances and associated car related costs. Plus we are still paying back a debt that was run up while my husband did his training.
it’s not that my husband is keeping money from me, only that his wage is low.

OP posts:
Addictedtohotbaths · 03/12/2025 13:31

Some local councils do free group music lessons, ours does

ChloeMorningstar · 03/12/2025 13:28

WouldRatherBeOnaBeach · 03/12/2025 13:25

Where on earth are you? Perhaps I should ask him to move (again!) we pay everything except to rent the property….but it’s so lacking in insulation and decent windows that we pay 500-550 a month for gas and electricity, so effectively we do pay rent, but to the energy company 😂

why would a vicar have their broadband paid? Or their electricity/ other bills?? I don’t understand!

So you pay £550 for heating, where is the rest of the money going

WouldRatherBeOnaBeach · 03/12/2025 13:25

TotHappy · 03/12/2025 13:17

Many of these old vicarages have been sold off though as they're unreasonably luxurious and too big and old like you say. Lots of 4 or 5 bed new build vicarages round my way.
And agree that vicars don't typically pay council tax and in my diocese also don't pay water rates, buildings insurance or broadband. They get a proportion of their electric/heating bill paid too. It varies across dioceses but I'd be surprised if any diocese charges for ALL normal household bills.

Where on earth are you? Perhaps I should ask him to move (again!) we pay everything except to rent the property….but it’s so lacking in insulation and decent windows that we pay 500-550 a month for gas and electricity, so effectively we do pay rent, but to the energy company 😂

why would a vicar have their broadband paid? Or their electricity/ other bills?? I don’t understand!

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TotHappy · 03/12/2025 13:17

Sharptonguedwoman · 03/12/2025 13:07

Have you ever heated a vicarage? Good friend of mine was a vicar's daughter and their family lived on a tight budget. Beautiful, draughty Victorian house. Solid fuel boiler in the cellar. They shut down half the house every winter. Parents bedroom became sitting room, spare bedrooms shut off, drawing room (yes, I know but back then vicarage often used for parish stuff) shut off. Simply couldn't afford to heat it.

Many of these old vicarages have been sold off though as they're unreasonably luxurious and too big and old like you say. Lots of 4 or 5 bed new build vicarages round my way.
And agree that vicars don't typically pay council tax and in my diocese also don't pay water rates, buildings insurance or broadband. They get a proportion of their electric/heating bill paid too. It varies across dioceses but I'd be surprised if any diocese charges for ALL normal household bills.

SunnySideDeepDown · 03/12/2025 13:16

£2000 income, plus a little extra from your 1bed, no mortgage and only £350 a month spending money?

Wheres it all going OP? Your bills are over £1500/mo without mortgage or rent?

pottylolly · 03/12/2025 13:15

Music lessons have become more expensive for those in State Education because of VAT.

Teachers make more money via private schools & now offer at least 20% discount there so adding vat doesn’t change the price. So many are charging more to those in state education (or reducing services) to try and make up costs — for example, hiking fees, charging more for instrument hire, not including books or 1 exam attempt as standard any more. If you don’t like it then they’ll find someone else quickly enough as there’s a massive shortage of qualified instrument teachers.

The same thing has happened to a lot of other enrichment activities. The government was warned about this when they implemented the vat charge for private education.

Floppy12 · 03/12/2025 13:13

I dont think Vicars pay council tax, water rates, buildings insurance or broadband when they live in the rent free clergy house.

Usually they are only responsible for heating costs.

Music lessons are expensive, they always have been really.

Is the £85 a week a self imposed strict budget rather than nothing left over as there does seem a chunk of money going rogue. Do you save the Child Benefit for something else? Have you prioritised savings instead of a bigger house keeping budget?

Sharptonguedwoman · 03/12/2025 13:08

BriefEncountersOfTheThirdKind · 03/12/2025 13:04

Avoiding the rent question tbh - pays for itself. So a cheaper rent than average or....?

If the flat is so tiny then it's no good being kept as a potential family home.

Lots of vicars do keep a house for when they retire but they rent it out for enough to easily cover the costs.

How old are the children? You're also avoiding the idea of you working anywhere

Not sure but friends who have become accidental landlords did so at a loss.

Sharptonguedwoman · 03/12/2025 13:07

ChloeMorningstar · 03/12/2025 12:34

So where is all the money going?

Have you ever heated a vicarage? Good friend of mine was a vicar's daughter and their family lived on a tight budget. Beautiful, draughty Victorian house. Solid fuel boiler in the cellar. They shut down half the house every winter. Parents bedroom became sitting room, spare bedrooms shut off, drawing room (yes, I know but back then vicarage often used for parish stuff) shut off. Simply couldn't afford to heat it.

Charlotte120221 · 03/12/2025 13:06

surely an £8 increase is nothing in the scheme of things - if you were funding the £32 ok then use £8 of her child benefit to fund the shortfall?

another one who's puzzled as to what you're doing with the £1700 of the monthly stiped that you claim is used by bills? Maybe have another look at that?

BriefEncountersOfTheThirdKind · 03/12/2025 13:04

Avoiding the rent question tbh - pays for itself. So a cheaper rent than average or....?

If the flat is so tiny then it's no good being kept as a potential family home.

Lots of vicars do keep a house for when they retire but they rent it out for enough to easily cover the costs.

How old are the children? You're also avoiding the idea of you working anywhere

Peridoteage · 03/12/2025 13:04

£40 - for how long? If thats for a 30 minute lesson its extremely high. I pay £30 in a very expensive area near London.

Unless you think this teacher is so in demand that you can't push back.

MikeRafone · 03/12/2025 12:58

HelpMySocksAreTouchingMe · 03/12/2025 12:50

If the £1997 is to cover costs outside of housing costs (as that is provided) what are you spending the rest on to have such a small budget for food.

I wonder this as I was under the impression vicarages where one of the homes exempt from council tax, so that leaves water, gas, electric and Internet, car and insurances

MikeRafone · 03/12/2025 12:56

TBH I think you'd be better off selling the one bed flat and then living on the capital, you could get 4% in an interest account and use that towards the extras

when you retire your fast will prevent you obtaining social housing, which is easier to obtain once over 60

Hons123 · 03/12/2025 12:54

No names named, but somebody on here asked 'Is that £40 a week or a monthly fee? How long are the flute lessons?'

No surprises then that ours is not a music nation and all the success our musicians achieve on the world stage is in spite of, rather than because of.

HelpMySocksAreTouchingMe · 03/12/2025 12:50

If the £1997 is to cover costs outside of housing costs (as that is provided) what are you spending the rest on to have such a small budget for food.

BriefEncountersOfTheThirdKind · 03/12/2025 12:49

WouldRatherBeOnaBeach · 03/12/2025 12:23

If they are both vicars, they are both on the standard income, so have double the money…..plus one will be getting an extra chunk for not wanting the house they are entitled to…….PLUS the second income doesn’t have all the bills coming out of it!

I know a few people who have done this, not because they really wanted the job, but because they saw it as a good solution to the money issue.

I wouldn’t want to work for them, they aren’t a reasonable employer. (I know of more than one couple who were denied time off when they needed it for a still birth and to bury their baby). Not something I want to be involved with thanks.

I never said you had to work FOR them???

I said you could do any other job ...

Also, vicars definitely set their own hours to a degree. Outside of set services (and even then they can some times get cover etc) they chose when to work

user789543678885432111 · 03/12/2025 12:47

It is so hard being self employed. My costs have gone up massively and I haven’t passed them all on because it’s so hard to do. Whenever I increase fees, it causes someone to leave.
You might find there is a concessionary rate available, or a shorter lesson, and also that a term’s notice is required to quit. That is quite standard. Where I live, there is a charity that offers free music lessons for those on low incomes.
Also btw shocked at the low income. My local vicar and bishop are often to be seen in Waitrose, so I assumed that the income wasn’t as low as I thought, until I read this.

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