My neighbour is a convicted paedophile

No.

Show me where I said it.

It's not hard.

This is just online hysteria.

If you can absorb anything from this thread, it's that CSAM are so hideously prevalent on the Internet that anyone who wants to view real DC being abused can do so and there are millions of images online

More than any individual could consume.

They don't need to take pictures of a child in a garden and create AI.

And even if what you claim is true, that he has the tools then that applies to everyone who can see DC in real life who has a smartphone and potentially create images of them.

So how would you prevent that in real life?

Stop your DC from going outside ever?

Put a veil over their face like Michael Jackson?

It's not downplaying danger it's saying the danger of someone taking a picture of anyone anywhere and doing something with it exists everywhere so what's your solution?

How does that work?

Can somebody take innocent pictures of my (now adult) kids and convert them to child abuse porn?

And yes I do know about fake stuff with heads projected to bodies.

Our neighbour was sent to prison for downloaded /altered images of children. We never knew until about 2 weeks prior to the court case when he told us - he'd been told to 'confess' (by his solicitor I think) to friends/neighbours as this 'honesty' would count towards leniency. He didn't confess to the full extent of his crimes, and very much played down what he'd done.

Our DC were never in this blokes company either with us or without. But they very easily could have been.

He was working in hospitality and the owners did initially keep him on, until his crimes came to light more widely when they had no choice but to get rid of him or loose their business. They were misguided.

This was just pre Sarah's Law so as I was concerned that we'd not been informed and had young DC I phoned the detective in charge of the case and was told they'd not told us because they'd risk assessed the individual and he was not a risk to our DC (!). I understand his interest was in older children

He got 3 1/2 years.

Just prior to his release I advocated with the probation service on behalf of his DM as she didn't want him returning to the family home. She was elderly and vulnerable. He went to a town 20 miles away.

I also seem to remember getting details of his release - ie what he could do/couldn't do and where he could go etc from I think the Court Service just to make sure that I knew what to expect if he turned up.

His family disowned him and his mother went from being a pillar of the local community with a load of friends and interests to being something of a recluse and ultimately died of a broken heart.

He quickly ended up back in prison for the same/similar crime.

I think he'd got caught as a result of that (at the time) massive Canadian case where they were able to retrieve loads of credit card details and track down perps that way.

You would never have guessed what he did in a million years and had a wide and varied friendship group, and was gregarious and personable.

You really just can't tell and that's why children should be safeguarded.

I agree with all that. Taking photos in positions any sane adults would think are innocent land on the internet for other PDF to get off on. That is ABUSE.

Yeah that's a classic. If backed into a corner some people will just bring up 'comprehension skills' and try to insult another poster that way. Try harder.

@ThisNeatRedMember Because you asked. Yes I can read. I'm expecting all sorts of Uturns 'ah this is not what I said or meant'. You said it.

I does read like you are literally excluding the slim chance that this man might begin to befriend kids as they walk to the corner shop to buy some sweets or on their way home from school. It does very much read like 'he's only got thoughts and is never with the DC and therefore nothing will happen'.

How on earth does that imply legitimacy?

I stand by my response that not all of the downplaying replies here come from Mums.

The man is a huge risk. The man has the tools to be taking photos of their little faces in the garden and putting them in an app that gives him exactly what images he wants.

The man is a danger, anyone who downplays the danger, is a danger.

Oh I get that indeed. I'm very surprised how matter of fact you talk about this. You cannot keep your kids away from strangers forever. It only works with very young ones. What do you not get about this?

Literally did not say that

Copy where I said it because you can't because I didn't.

Everyone here can read

Though comprehension skills vary.

What don't you get?

Report me for what? Facts,

If you don't let your DC spend time with strangers they are not ar risk from those strangers.

They're at risk from the people you trust and who you let spend time with them

Your husband, your Dad, your brother, nephew, teacher, Dr, sports coach, Priest or whatever

Going around being outraged about a potential paedophile down the road who your DC never even encounter is a waste of your time and doing nothing to protect your DC

Keep your DC safe from the people closet to them because they're most likely to be a risk to your DC

That's just facts

This poster literally said this man is NO risk to the children. Do you agree with that? Would you think that he is no risk to YOUR children if this was your neighbour?

Not to mumsnet 😂

Nobody has said he is one of the 'good' ones. We are talking about the difference between direct and indirect abuse: they are both abuse, and both harm children. I can't for the life of me see what you would report RedMember for, since her posts have been civil and informative. Saying something you dont agree with is not a hanging offence.

This advice is no advice. I'd be really amazed if I as a mother would just calm myself down because a stranger on the internet said that statistically this man is no risk. I just think you'd be extra vigilant just in case. This DOES NOT mean to not consider it might happen elsewhere in the child's life. That alone was a ridiculous suggestion. I just cannot get my head around this. If there was a suspected serial killer in the neighbourhood I'd take very good caution and that is me as an adult. It is beyond me how one might not consider the possibility this man might start talking to these kids one day and worse (they will become older and not tied to mummy) and guilt trip/manipulate them so they might not feel able to tell anyone what is happening. YES there are other unknown PDF around. But in this case it is a known one & that's what I would work with.

Well they are everywhere as the evidence shows.

I'd imagine paedophiles are more likely to be on threads minimising it, not saying how insanely prevalent it is and telling people the facts which are your DC are more likely to be abused by someone you know, trust and often love instead of focusing on the convicted CSAM viewer down the road who the DC never have contact with.

I was a child of the 80s and told not to go off with strangers, if a man offered you sweets or said he had puppies in his car you shouldn't go.

No-one told me your uncle who used to be an ambulance driver might be up for playing imaginative games about hospitals so he gets to touch you inappropriately and you won't realise it was CSA till you get to adulthood.

That's the reality. And not just because of my experience but because of the vanishingly rare incidents of CSA by strangers.

People need to know the convicted CSAM viewer that never has contact with their DC is not the most likely threat to their DC but the person who they trust.

Yes I have RTFT. I don't know what your role in this field is, but I feel like reporting you for putting this on here.

OP doesn't want him to perv on her kids and has been advised to tell her kids to never speak to the man. Does it not occur to you that he might approach children one day or parents may worry about that? We don't know if he's 'one of the good ones' who will never act on his urge for children. Yes, he has an urge otherwise he'd not viewed these images. Nothing happens until it does. I cannot even understand your train of thought here and how you are so sure this man won't escalate 'because he doesn't spend time with the kids' and go on to post something like 'this man is no risk to these children'.

Be aware of that always, when you feel like you are being shamed or told paedos are everywhere just put up with it.

Can you say a bit more about 'not just putting up with convicted paedophiles' would entail?

Oh blimey, that's me rumbled!

I would have no contact with him and warn the children. However at least you know he is a danger and behave accordingly, many live by paedophiles who haven’t been caught yet (speaking as someone who’s neighbour is currently in prison for a lot more than pornographic photos!)

But we're all affected. We all need to share knowledge and understanding and work out how to make life safer for our kids. This advice is far more useful to the OP than advising her to move or start some vigilante action.

It appears they alrwady know. And you don't get to blackmail people into moving. He has as much right to be there as anyone else. Besides it is the ones you don't know about who are the greatest risk lime the next petson who moves in.