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Working families £18k worse off than benefits claimants after budget

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shoelances · 30/11/2025 23:14

This is madness. Can the last taxpayer in the UK please close the door behind them.

www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/households-on-handouts-to-be-18-000-better-off-than-families-on-modest-wages/ar-AA1RqxlQ

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Novemberstorm · 02/12/2025 17:49

dreamiesformolly · 02/12/2025 17:43

Where do you want people to live if that happens and they can't find work, then?

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It is not what I want. The housing situation outlook will be very bleak for some. Hence people need to cover all bases now why they can. Wise decisions, insurance policies, family support network etc.

UserFront242 · 02/12/2025 17:48

Frequency · 02/12/2025 17:45

Great. Next time I get made redundant, or my husband dies, I will set up a weed farm. I assume you're okay with me marketing my product to your kids? After all, I would be taking personal responsibility and not asking your taxes to help me.

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Employ her kids as runners too. May as well instil in them a strong work ethic whilst young.
Get them an e-scooter and a balaclava. Maybe throw in a knife or gun too.

dreamiesformolly · 02/12/2025 17:48

Bumblebee72 · 02/12/2025 17:18

The young men who could aren't doing it because it is easy to collect the dole and play on a X box.

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Have you ever actually had to qualify for 'the dole' as you amusingly seem to think it is still called?

Benjithedog · 02/12/2025 17:48

Frequency · 02/12/2025 17:45

Great. Next time I get made redundant, or my husband dies, I will set up a weed farm. I assume you're okay with me marketing my product to your kids? After all, I would be taking personal responsibility and not asking your taxes to help me.

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None of those things are the taxpayers fault are they and I’m sure you would claim the necessary benefits if they did because that is what they are there for

UserFront242 · 02/12/2025 17:47

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Vile.
Do you know anyone with mental health problems? I guess not as you seem to think they don't actually exist.

Bumblebee72 · 02/12/2025 17:47

Frequency · 02/12/2025 17:45

Great. Next time I get made redundant, or my husband dies, I will set up a weed farm. I assume you're okay with me marketing my product to your kids? After all, I would be taking personal responsibility and not asking your taxes to help me.

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Or alternatively you just get another proper job....

dreamiesformolly · 02/12/2025 17:46

Bumblebee72 · 02/12/2025 17:32

No need to shout. There are loads of jobs people just don't want to do them. They don't want to do them because they can sit at home and live a comfortable life as a piss taker.

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And in the next edition of 'Fairy Tales by Bumblebee72'...

Frequency · 02/12/2025 17:45

Benjithedog · 02/12/2025 17:43

It’s called taking responsibility for yourselves rather than expect the taxpayer to pay for everything

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Great. Next time I get made redundant, or my husband dies, I will set up a weed farm. I assume you're okay with me marketing my product to your kids? After all, I would be taking personal responsibility and not asking your taxes to help me.

Novemberstorm · 02/12/2025 17:45

Understand the longterm plan is UBI. When UBI is introduced, those with large families reliant on benefits will really struggle. Thus removing 2 child cap will be hugely detrimental in the future. This policy will cause extreme hardship to some in the future.

Bumblebee72 · 02/12/2025 17:43

Benjithedog · 02/12/2025 17:39

Yet another excuse. Let’s carry on then and bankrupt the country anything but have people’s mental health affected.

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People fall into two catagories those that solve problems and support themselves and those that come up with excuses for why they can't do things. They always have a bloody excuse. Tough love is needed.

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dreamiesformolly · 02/12/2025 17:43

Novemberstorm · 02/12/2025 17:36

Housing benefit needs to be cut. Painful at first but ultimately it will educate people to make wiser decisions.

Where do you want people to live if that happens and they can't find work, then?

Benjithedog · 02/12/2025 17:43

Frequency · 02/12/2025 17:42

You're okay with sex work, homelessness, and crime then? As long as people don't get depressed or anxious?

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It’s called taking responsibility for yourselves rather than expect the taxpayer to pay for everything

dreamiesformolly · 02/12/2025 17:42

Bumblebee72 · 02/12/2025 17:29

The government should test it. Half benefits in April and watch the vacancies disappear. We used to be a nation of shop keepers now we are a nation of piss takers.

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Yeah, you'll have to excuse me if I decide to not subscribe to your little thought experiment.

Halve benefits in April and the food banks won't be able to cope. Starvation will increase. Children will suffer. Watch the suicide rates go up and the NHS be stretched even further with the consequences of extreme starvation and general poverty-driven ill health.

All this in a so-called developed nation. Great plan. But hey, so long as you can sit back and feel not a penny is going to the so-called undeserving, eh?

Frequency · 02/12/2025 17:42

Benjithedog · 02/12/2025 17:39

Yet another excuse. Let’s carry on then and bankrupt the country anything but have people’s mental health affected.

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You're okay with sex work, homelessness, and crime then? As long as people don't get depressed or anxious?

UserFront242 · 02/12/2025 17:41

Benjithedog · 02/12/2025 17:39

Yet another excuse. Let’s carry on then and bankrupt the country anything but have people’s mental health affected.

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Mental health matters.

UserFront242 · 02/12/2025 17:40

Novemberstorm · 02/12/2025 17:36

Housing benefit needs to be cut. Painful at first but ultimately it will educate people to make wiser decisions.

Yes, I am certain people would have just chosen not to become ill/disabled/suddenly single.

Fearfulsaints · 02/12/2025 17:40

Bumblebee72 · 02/12/2025 17:32

No need to shout. There are loads of jobs people just don't want to do them. They don't want to do them because they can sit at home and live a comfortable life as a piss taker.

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There are 723,000 job vacancies and apparently 11 million people not working for whatever reason. Although I think only 1.7 million are looking for work.

Benjithedog · 02/12/2025 17:39

Frequency · 02/12/2025 17:34

Halve benefits in April and watch the number of sex workers triple, crime rates skyrocket, addiction rates double as people's mental health spirals, and your local park turn into a tent city.

Yet another excuse. Let’s carry on then and bankrupt the country anything but have people’s mental health affected.

UserFront242 · 02/12/2025 17:39

Frequency · 02/12/2025 17:34

Halve benefits in April and watch the number of sex workers triple, crime rates skyrocket, addiction rates double as people's mental health spirals, and your local park turn into a tent city.

Hey, I guess some people here will say sex work is still work. A job is a job.

JenniferBooth · 02/12/2025 17:39

Bumblebee72 · 02/12/2025 16:53

What on earth has that response got to do with my post? Maybe walk away from Siri for a bit?

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You said ppl could pick veg. Picking veg is usually a live away from home job.
With me so far??
It will be mostly ppl on UC expected to do this,You said it yourself and/or ppl who live in social housing. And ive explained why ppl in SH cant live away from home to do it Its them who will be expected to but rules and those pesky tenancy agreements mean they cant. Is that clear enough??????????????

Frequency · 02/12/2025 17:38

Novemberstorm · 02/12/2025 17:36

Housing benefit needs to be cut. Painful at first but ultimately it will educate people to make wiser decisions.

Alternatively, you could cap private rents. Same benefit to the taxpayer but without the massive rise in sex work, addiction, crime, and homelessness.

UserFront242 · 02/12/2025 17:38

Bumblebee72 · 02/12/2025 17:32

No need to shout. There are loads of jobs people just don't want to do them. They don't want to do them because they can sit at home and live a comfortable life as a piss taker.

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I am shouting because no one listens.
There are 2.4 jobseekers for every vacancy. There are not enough jobs for everyone to be employed.
No one lives a comfortable life on jobseekers. It is £400pm, even less if you are a younger adult. The incentive to find a job is already there. Being broke is stressful and no way to live.

Novemberstorm · 02/12/2025 17:36

Housing benefit needs to be cut. Painful at first but ultimately it will educate people to make wiser decisions.

Frequency · 02/12/2025 17:34

Halve benefits in April and watch the number of sex workers triple, crime rates skyrocket, addiction rates double as people's mental health spirals, and your local park turn into a tent city.