Working families £18k worse off than benefits claimants after budget

I don't understand this argument; other countries manage it without prices rising exponentially and businesses going bust en masse.

I would genuinely like to understand why it is impossible for the UK to pay a fair wage, particularly when looking at multibillion-pound international conglomerates like Asda/Walmart, which manage to pay fairly in other European countries.

Sweden, for example, doesn't have a minimum wage, but it is accepted that paying a low salary is socially unacceptable and would damage a company's reputation. We not only accept it but defend and excuse it, while berating the people trying to manage on it for not doing better.

This is a very simplistic view
Assuming if everyone pays more for a product or service and all will be well ignores the downturn in use, the inevitable loss of jobs, increase in welfare spend and reduction in tax income.
There is a fine line which needs to be appreciated to not just keep productivity as it is but more importantly to increase it

THIS

Totally agree, people will bitch and whine about 'benefits' while using the services provided by those on low enough wages to need top ups to survive, dropping their kids off at nursery, visiting an elderly relative in a care home, drinking a coffee in a coffee shop, going shopping - and it's just fine for them to benefit from those services, maybe they'd prefer to pay more at source for them and then people won't need top ups? Or they can do without so these jobs aren't needed and we can all go and get the fabled 'better' jobs?
If people don't want benefit top ups then I suppose they'd better get their hand in their pocket and start paying more for the services they want and need and stop expecting someone else to deliver it to them for a wage that needs topping up so people can survive.

I think it's important to remember that just because a disability isn't severe enough to be recognised until recently, that doesn't mean it hasn't impacted a person's ability to work.

I cared for a lady who I am convinced had ND; she was definitely ADHD, at least. She would fixate on new hobbies to the point where they took up every minute of her day. When I started with working with her, she was into crochet, she was making gowns for stillborn babies and planned to learn how to make her own crochet patterns so she could make personalised memory bears and blankets and planned to get her own stall in the local hospital so she could sell her wares to raise money for charity.

Then the home allocated some of their garden to allotments for the residents to manage, and she was going to single-handedly end food poverty in the local area by growing all this amazing fruit and veg, which would be given away to locals. She even wrote out little recipe cards to go with her produce and started a petition to get chickens. I don't think she managed to grow even a single strawberry before she moved on to weight loss and chair aerobics.

When I left to go to a remote IT job, she was asking her sons to buy her a laptop so she could learn computers and get "one of those fancy online jobs". She was 87 years old and had never so much as turned on a computer.

She was an amazing woman who was very proud of the fact she'd worked since was 14 and never claimed anything until she retired, but she'd had a few careers, factory work, shop work, hairdressing, dinner lady... and finally she was a lolipop lady after she retired. I can't help wondering how much further she would have gotten in life if her disability had been recognised and she'd been given the tools and support to manage it.

With the exception of the fallout of covid and a higher number of elderly people
It is understood
The increased number of disabled people is down to more awareness and improved recognition of a wider range of symptoms not a higher proportion of disabled people.

Go on benefits then! Be stupid not to, surely?

Except you wont because saying people on benefits are better off than workers on moderate wages is crap.

We have a three child household, and earn just a bit too much to claim.

Yes we struggle.

No, I dont begrudge a household earning less than us to claim a bit to top up low wages.

This is what the vast majority of uc claimants claim for. To be able to go to work and fill all the lower paid positions, you know, shop workers,.cleaners, teaching assistants and the like. Orange they should just get their pittance for working and then go home to a tent? Would that suit better?

Good golly, how gullible some are to keep going on about ridiculous cases dredged up to keep us attacking each other while the billionaires get richer.

I also don’t understand why people talk about the numbers on uc rising when it has slowly been replacing the old benefits for about ten years. Of course the numbers have risen. I don’t see why anyone would choose to be unemployed it’s very boring. I’m ashamed I didn’t have a job until I was 21 because I had a baby at 16 luckily there were benefits I guess a lot of people died of starvation back in the day, and there’s a group of thought that think mothers get pregnant just for the benefits even when they’re 15 and need to be punished by being left to starve. Feels weird admitting you’d be one of the first to die in survival of the fittest.

As for disability benefits I think there genuinely are more disabled people than there used to be.

Seriously most on benefits will be disabled, mothers or people who genuinely can’t get a job. The numbers of lazy people who genuinely want to sit at home doing nothing must be very low. Boring and depressing for one

UC consists of 6 different benefits that previously were all separate. Being on UC does not mean someone is not working, or can't be arsed. Some people work part time because they have children, caring responsibilities, or have disabilities. These are also reasons why some people do not work at all.

Again, there are 2.4 jobseekers for every vacancy. Those job vacancies include MLM shit, zero hours jobs, and ghost jobs.
There is always going to be millions of people out of work, and they need support to live. They can't live off fresh air.

Of course it is.

The message is very, very clear. UC = lazy people who sit on their arses all day.

I think you may have quoted the wrong poster?

People in your situation/condition should get far more support than they currently do.

The lack of services and therapies for life long/limiting conditions is shocking, its what my DD does for a living.

Some do.

As I said, people on UC have many different circumstances and are not all the same.

But some do though only work part time. I know this is unpopular and difficult for people but that doesn’t make it not true. Get angry at those people

Illness and disability won’t disappear, if only, how smug of you to suggest it
my Parkinson’s at 63, leaves me unable to work, and has done for years, no cure either

It’s not bollocks though. The cost of the welfare system has grown exponentially and it can’t continue this way. Other services are not getting the funding they need such as mental health services because of it. People need to open their eyes to this

Of course it is.

The message is very, very clear. UC = lazy people who sit on their arses all day.

You have no clue do you.

UK spends less on welfare than pretty much any European country, because its so low and has no contributory aspect, some people can get stuck in unemployment.
Compare to Germany where a newly unemployed worker gets almost all their old salary, subject to length of time in work.

There are 34m people in work, some 27m in FT work, numbers in work increased by 440k in the last 12 months.

We are still a nation of workers, despite the constant doom mongering from the 'right wing.

Has Mumsnet been taken over by the Daily Mail lately. It used to be a safe space to get away from this shite. Go away with your benefit bashing bollocks.

UC consists of 6 different benefits that previously were all separate. Being on UC does not mean someone is not working, or can't be arsed. Some people work part time because they have children, caring responsibilities, or have disabilities. These are also reasons why some people do not work at all.

Again, there are 2.4 jobseekers for every vacancy. Those job vacancies include MLM shit, zero hours jobs, and ghost jobs.
There is always going to be millions of people out of work, and they need support to live. They can't live off fresh air.

There are 8.3million on UC

There are nearly 1million jobs not taken by any of those people and nearly 1.8mill not working

Only 33% of those on UC work and not all full time

The numbers claiming are rising
The numbers claiming PIP are rising
Predictions on the cost to the tax payer by 2030 make the system unaffordable
That’s why the Conservatives and Labour tried to reduce welfare

This isn’t a sustainable system
too many people are not net providers
too many people do not provide at all

It’s not about taring anyone with the same brush
We have a system that doesn’t work
A system that doesn’t encourage work
and in fact discourages it.

That’s what has to change

It’s not even enough to pay my bills is my point really
i don’t think anyone can on £400 which is why I said about parking. Single so it falls all to me
if you have a mortgage it’s don’t pay it or take a mortgage holiday on that. Just covers my water, gas, electric and service charge

Many of them will have very different circumstances and can't all be tarred with the same brush.

My husband works full time, he'll be working 60 hour weeks over the Christmas period because he's in hospitality.

I don't work because I'm the carer of our disabled child.

Our lives completely changed with our sons disability.

There are 8.3million on UC

There are nearly 1million jobs not taken by any of those people and nearly 1.8mill not working

Only 33% of those on UC work and not all full time

The numbers claiming are rising
The numbers claiming PIP are rising
Predictions on the cost to the tax payer by 2030 make the system unaffordable
That’s why the Conservatives and Labour tried to reduce welfare

This isn’t a sustainable system
too many people are not net providers
too many people do not provide at all