Working families £18k worse off than benefits claimants after budget

Only PIP isn’t means tested. All the other disability benefits, which make up the bulk of benefits for the disabled, are contribution based or means tested.

You absolute can blame some anti-social behaviour on mental health. Have you ever lived next door to someone in the grip of a psychotic episode?

Sorry but you can’t blame anti social neighbours on poor mental health. That just ridiculous. It takes a lot these days to evict tenants from properties because of their behaviour. Maybe you need to spare a thought for their poor neighbours

Please.... no one accidentally has accusations of anti social behaviour. Think first! If someone is not capable of evaluating the outcome, they are in no way fit to be part of a functioning society never mind being rewarded with a house!

What society does with them is a topic for another thread....

The key point to this thread is such individuals would release a much needed house to a more deserving case.

There are some very disturbing ideas on this thread. Where do you propose these people live, and would you be happy for your child to live there/be treated this way?

There are many reasons someone might be evicted for ASB, which are beyond their control, including mental illness and malicious neighbours, neither of which is prevented by coming from a middle-class family.

Money does not protect you from mental or physical illness. It's worth remembering that when you're calling for support to be withdrawn from the most vulnerable in our society.

A better way of dealing with ASB would be to properly invest in mental health care and adult social services to prevent the issue.

Some people in social housing with a history of anti social behaviour are rehoused by the Council. I find this appalling.

Receiving any form of subsidised housing is a privilege. If you then abuse the situation you should lose all right to any future Council and subsidised housing.

Please.... no one accidentally has accusations of anti social behaviour. Think first! If someone is not capable of evaluating the outcome, they are in no way fit to be part of a functioning society never mind being rewarded with a house!

What society does with them is a topic for another thread....

The key point to this thread is such individuals would release a much needed house to a more deserving case.

There are some very disturbing ideas on this thread. Where do you propose these people live, and would you be happy for your child to live there/be treated this way?

There are many reasons someone might be evicted for ASB, which are beyond their control, including mental illness and malicious neighbours, neither of which is prevented by coming from a middle-class family.

Money does not protect you from mental or physical illness. It's worth remembering that when you're calling for support to be withdrawn from the most vulnerable in our society.

A better way of dealing with ASB would be to properly invest in mental health care and adult social services to prevent the issue.

Some people in social housing with a history of anti social behaviour are rehoused by the Council. I find this appalling.

Receiving any form of subsidised housing is a privilege. If you then abuse the situation you should lose all right to any future Council and subsidised housing.

Some people in social housing with a history of anti social behaviour are rehoused by the Council. I find this appalling.

Receiving any form of subsidised housing is a privilege. If you then abuse the situation you should lose all right to any future Council and subsidised housing.

And how many peoole are on waiting lists for decades for these properties?

Do people not realise disability benefits are not means tested?

Actually Swedish prople live us

But heres a quick Google on work ethics

• International perspective: A 2023 study by King's College Londonfound that the UK public places less emphasis on work compared to other Western nations like Italy and France.
• UK public opinion on work: The same study noted that 43% of the British public believes it would be a good thing if less importance was placed on work in the future, a view that is more common in the UK than in countries like the US and Italy.
• Comparison with other countries:The UK public is among the least likely to agree that work should always come first, with only Australia, Canada, and Japan ranking lower.

We Brits must come across as a right nasty bunch to them.

We are not comparable to Sweden. Look at their productivity stats compared to ours and you will begin to understand how we differ. Also look at exports per capita. It's all very relevant. Their labour may be more expensive but what they are producing and their productivity means that higher wages are more affordable.

Our PPP is already lower than Sweden. If wages rise this will increase the cost of goods and lead to an even lower PPP and potentially lower GDP as we won't be able to compete so effectively in the global market.

You are trying to effectively put the cart before the horse. Sort out the labour market so that productivity and exports rise and the balance of payments improves. Then we can start to think about higher wages.

Can you sort out the labour market without growth? The quickest way to boost growth is to ensure people have enough money to buy goods and services.

I don't understand this argument; other countries manage it without prices rising exponentially and businesses going bust en masse.

I would genuinely like to understand why it is impossible for the UK to pay a fair wage, particularly when looking at multibillion-pound international conglomerates like Asda/Walmart, which manage to pay fairly in other European countries.

Sweden, for example, doesn't have a minimum wage, but it is accepted that paying a low salary is socially unacceptable and would damage a company's reputation. We not only accept it but defend and excuse it, while berating the people trying to manage on it for not doing better.

I don't understand this argument; other countries manage it without prices rising exponentially and businesses going bust en masse.

I would genuinely like to understand why it is impossible for the UK to pay a fair wage, particularly when looking at multibillion-pound international conglomerates like Asda/Walmart, which manage to pay fairly in other European countries.

Sweden, for example, doesn't have a minimum wage, but it is accepted that paying a low salary is socially unacceptable and would damage a company's reputation. We not only accept it but defend and excuse it, while berating the people trying to manage on it for not doing better.

I don't understand this argument; other countries manage it without prices rising exponentially and businesses going bust en masse.

I would genuinely like to understand why it is impossible for the UK to pay a fair wage, particularly when looking at multibillion-pound international conglomerates like Asda/Walmart, which manage to pay fairly in other European countries.

Sweden, for example, doesn't have a minimum wage, but it is accepted that paying a low salary is socially unacceptable and would damage a company's reputation. We not only accept it but defend and excuse it, while berating the people trying to manage on it for not doing better.