Page 24 | Working families £18k worse off than benefits claimants after budget

dizzydizzydizzy · 30/11/2025 23:36

This is the Daily Fail.

What they seem to have conveniently forgotten is that if you lose your job and apply for Universal Credit, you have to prove to them you are spending 35 hours a week looking for a job. Tbey will also make you go on courses. The exception is if they have deemed through an incredibly rigiourous process of form-filling, supplying reams of hospital letter and other documents and then going through a gruelling healith assessment that you are too unwell or too disabled to work.

I think it is outrageous tbat wages are so lour of step with costs that people in full time work still need UC.

DontGoJasonWaterfalls · 30/11/2025 23:32

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Carla786 · 30/11/2025 23:32

shoelances · 30/11/2025 23:14

This is madness. Can the last taxpayer in the UK please close the door behind them.

www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/households-on-handouts-to-be-18-000-better-off-than-families-on-modest-wages/ar-AA1RqxlQ

I presume you agree with the 2 child benefit cap?

Carla786 · 30/11/2025 23:31

Only ~25–30% of two-child cap families qualify for full uncapped UC; most remain under £22k/year overall cap.

I think this is important. The Centre For Social Justice are a conservative think tank so will present it one way, left wing think tanks will obviously emphasise the positives. That's why it's crucial to try & read all perspectives.

I do have issues with the government's plan but imo the picture not as bad as the CSJ are making it out to be

LoudNoiseCantCope · 30/11/2025 23:27

The family taking home £28k may be entitled to benefits if they had rent in an expensive area and childcare costs.

But the figures are nonsense based on random examples anyway so impossible to say.

ChristmasHug · 30/11/2025 23:25

You have misread that. Benefits households being 18k better off doesn't mean working households are 18k worse off.

I believe working households on average wage with DC were supposed to be 1k worse off.

I'm not saying this is good or right, but be educated about this if you want a debate.

Carla786 · 30/11/2025 23:25

Screamingabdabz · 30/11/2025 23:23

We’ll all be worse off because there is no strategy for growth or investment or business.

When everyone loses their jobs because Labour’s moronic tax-anything-that-moves policy means that businesses go down the pan or start laying people off, it might eventually dawn on them where all the money for generous benefits and the NHS etc actually originates from. Yes evil capitalism.

So it would make sense to make us a prosperous trading nation. But no. This is Labour. Spend spend spend. Trillions and billions in more debt to potentially hostile nations who have us by the short and curlies.

Hmm...partly agree

I think a higher wealth tax would be reasonable. But yes, over-taxing moderate and middle earners is not the way to go.

Screamingabdabz · 30/11/2025 23:23

We’ll all be worse off because there is no strategy for growth or investment or business.

When everyone loses their jobs because Labour’s moronic tax-anything-that-moves policy means that businesses go down the pan or start laying people off, it might eventually dawn on them where all the money for generous benefits and the NHS etc actually originates from. Yes evil capitalism.

So it would make sense to make us a prosperous trading nation. But no. This is Labour. Spend spend spend. Trillions and billions in more debt to potentially hostile nations who have us by the short and curlies.

Tippexy · 30/11/2025 23:19

YANBU but you won’t get any sympathy on here.

Kirbert2 · 30/11/2025 23:19

Plenty of families on UC are also working families.

TheAutumnCrow · 30/11/2025 23:18

Have you read the full details of the non-existent family this exemplar is based on?

vodkaredbullgirl · 30/11/2025 23:15

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