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shoelances · 2025-11-30T23:14:29+00:00

This is madness. Can the last taxpayer in the UK please close the door behind them. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/households-on-handouts-to-be-18-000-better-off-than-families-on-modest-wages/ar-AA1RqxlQ

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 01/12/2025 15:43

Benjithedog · 01/12/2025 15:42

Only if they can afford it and not rely on benefits to do it. It is not the responsibility of the taxpayer to pay for it. It’s down to the parents to fund it.

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Exactly

Carla786 · 01/12/2025 15:43

Benjithedog · 01/12/2025 15:42

Only if they can afford it and not rely on benefits to do it. It is not the responsibility of the taxpayer to pay for it. It’s down to the parents to fund it.

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I think we should value SAH or part time parents more.

Benjithedog · 01/12/2025 15:42

Carla786 · 01/12/2025 15:40

Exactly

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Only if they can afford it and not rely on benefits to do it. It is not the responsibility of the taxpayer to pay for it. It’s down to the parents to fund it.

Carla786 · 01/12/2025 15:40

Coffeeandbooks88 · 01/12/2025 14:29

Isn't it better for the kids if one is part time? Why both full time?

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Exactly

SJParker · 01/12/2025 15:39

I completely understand why the taxpayer feels aggrieved.

The welfare budget is in desperate need of reform.

Carla786 · 01/12/2025 15:38

Needingtoanewjob · 01/12/2025 11:49

You need more people to pay in than receive money.
You should encourage the very rich. They spend a lot, employ people and are generally good for the economy,

This government is insane.
Reeves spares 110 council houses worth over £2m from mansion tax
www.telegraph.co.uk/money/property/stamp-duty/110-council-houses-worth-over-2m-but-wont-pay-mansion-tax/

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Thus is complex though. The house becoming high value doesn't necessarily mean they have a lot of money apart from that.

My grandmother has a high value house which skyrocketed since she bought it in the 50s, but lives on her state pension and has little savings.

Benjithedog · 01/12/2025 15:38

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 01/12/2025 15:36

Agree
I just think there’s a different mindset at play here
Some make it work for themselves whilst some expect others to make it work for them.

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If some can make it work with similar circumstances why can’t others do it or is it that the will isn’t there?

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 01/12/2025 15:36

Forgetmenot9 · 01/12/2025 15:29

I also have zero network to help out with free childcare. We managed by paying for it, working compressed hours where we need to. Other friends work nights in supermarkets or weekends at pubs if they don't have childcare. Another friend does cleaning from 6pm in offices.

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Agree
I just think there’s a different mindset at play here
Some make it work for themselves whilst some expect others to make it work for them.

RedRiverShore5 · 01/12/2025 15:34

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 01/12/2025 15:21

I resorted to Google and the £10 Christmas bonus for UC claimants is all I found.
Nothing about £500

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The double Christmas bonus is Ireland by the look of it. Looks like everyone on UC, pensioners, etc. gets £10 in England, don't know about rest of UK

CautiousLurker2 · 01/12/2025 15:31

But they’ve not taxed everything that can move - bicycles, scooters and horses are all up for grabs.

Forgetmenot9 · 01/12/2025 15:29

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 01/12/2025 15:27

We had no support network
Family too far away, too old or/ and too ill

Moved to a new area as we couldn’t afford to buy near where we worked
so didn’t know anyone either

We both worked full time and sourced holiday and before and afterschool support without much trouble.

A waiting list for the holiday care, that’s all
Our childcare rolled over from one year to the next and we used Summer holiday camps aswell. Not cheap but we had no choice

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I also have zero network to help out with free childcare. We managed by paying for it, working compressed hours where we need to. Other friends work nights in supermarkets or weekends at pubs if they don't have childcare. Another friend does cleaning from 6pm in offices.

Benjithedog · 01/12/2025 15:28

phantomofthepopera · 01/12/2025 15:13

What jobs? You’re making it up. Arranging 2 weeks childcare is not a ‘doddle’ unless you have a support network. Childminders here have waiting lists for months. They wouldn’t let someone take a place on their list for two weeks if that meant rejecting a potential long-term client.

Im sorry, but you’re talking rubbish. What other childcare options are there for a 6 year old?

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They could offer childcare over school holidays. As a TA people would bite her hand off if she did this.

Forgetmenot9 · 01/12/2025 15:27

phantomofthepopera · 01/12/2025 15:07

Who the hell is going to give someone a job for one week at half term, or a fortnight over Easter and Christmas? What about childcare? She has no relatives in this country.

Some people just don’t live in the real world.

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Or don't be a TA! Get a job with full time hours. Lots of TAs I worked with topped their hours up with babysitting or working in school holidays clubs.

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 01/12/2025 15:27

phantomofthepopera · 01/12/2025 15:13

What jobs? You’re making it up. Arranging 2 weeks childcare is not a ‘doddle’ unless you have a support network. Childminders here have waiting lists for months. They wouldn’t let someone take a place on their list for two weeks if that meant rejecting a potential long-term client.

Im sorry, but you’re talking rubbish. What other childcare options are there for a 6 year old?

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We had no support network
Family too far away, too old or/ and too ill

Moved to a new area as we couldn’t afford to buy near where we worked
so didn’t know anyone either

We both worked full time and sourced holiday and before and afterschool support without much trouble.

A waiting list for the holiday care, that’s all
Our childcare rolled over from one year to the next and we used Summer holiday camps aswell. Not cheap but we had no choice

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 01/12/2025 15:21

RedRiverShore5 · 01/12/2025 15:13

Us pensioners and some others get a tenner as a Christmas bonus sometime now, do some people get more than that.

I resorted to Google and the £10 Christmas bonus for UC claimants is all I found.
Nothing about £500

divorcinganabsolutewanker · 01/12/2025 15:19

Frequency · 01/12/2025 15:09

If you're not in the UK, what is the point of posting that on a thread discussing UK welfare and taxes other than to whip the frothers into a fury?

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Are you frothing? A bit ott.

divorcinganabsolutewanker · 01/12/2025 15:18

Coffeeandbooks88 · 01/12/2025 15:10

Then it isn't relevant.

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Solidarity.

RedRiverShore5 · 01/12/2025 15:13

Us pensioners and some others get a tenner as a Christmas bonus sometime now, do some people get more than that.

phantomofthepopera · 01/12/2025 15:13

Frequency · 01/12/2025 14:57

Because there are hundreds of jobs that only need filling during half terms and they super easy to get. Ditto childcare, arranging childcare for 1-2 weeks here and there is a doddle.

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What jobs? You’re making it up. Arranging 2 weeks childcare is not a ‘doddle’ unless you have a support network. Childminders here have waiting lists for months. They wouldn’t let someone take a place on their list for two weeks if that meant rejecting a potential long-term client.

Im sorry, but you’re talking rubbish. What other childcare options are there for a 6 year old?

PropertyD · 01/12/2025 15:12

Screamingabdabz · 30/11/2025 23:23

We’ll all be worse off because there is no strategy for growth or investment or business.

When everyone loses their jobs because Labour’s moronic tax-anything-that-moves policy means that businesses go down the pan or start laying people off, it might eventually dawn on them where all the money for generous benefits and the NHS etc actually originates from. Yes evil capitalism.

So it would make sense to make us a prosperous trading nation. But no. This is Labour. Spend spend spend. Trillions and billions in more debt to potentially hostile nations who have us by the short and curlies.

I agree! Starmer started yapping today that he wanted to reduce the welfare budget. Um - what did you do last week??

It makes me sick that there is no growth in the budget AT ALL!

Coffeeandbooks88 · 01/12/2025 15:10

divorcinganabsolutewanker · 01/12/2025 15:05

I'm not in UK.

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Then it isn't relevant.

Frequency · 01/12/2025 15:09

divorcinganabsolutewanker · 01/12/2025 15:08

I'm not in the UK.

Certain social welfare payments will be doubled this week.

Sickening really.

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If you're not in the UK, what is the point of posting that on a thread discussing UK welfare and taxes other than to whip the frothers into a fury?

divorcinganabsolutewanker · 01/12/2025 15:08

phantomofthepopera · 01/12/2025 15:03

It’s not double. It’s a £500 cost of living payment.

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I'm not in the UK.

Certain social welfare payments will be doubled this week.

Sickening really.

phantomofthepopera · 01/12/2025 15:07

Benjithedog · 01/12/2025 14:55

Do something else in those 16 week off?

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Who the hell is going to give someone a job for one week at half term, or a fortnight over Easter and Christmas? What about childcare? She has no relatives in this country.

Some people just don’t live in the real world.

divorcinganabsolutewanker · 01/12/2025 15:05

Coffeeandbooks88 · 01/12/2025 15:02

No they aren't. I am certainly not on UC.

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I'm not in UK.