Working families £18k worse off than benefits claimants after budget

We don't need the population to grow but we do need to avoid a cliff-edge decline, which is what we are facing.

We need to get more people into employment and for people to start having more children.

Incidentally, about 3.5m on UCI are already in work, and there will always be those who very clearly cannot work, either because of their own health or because they're someone else's carer, so although our rate of economically inactive people is tok high, the idea that there are 10m people who just need to get a job is the stuff of fantasy.

I would like someone to post a link to where it says on the UC part of the Gov website about only having to work 16 hours to claim full benefits.

I am pretty sure it was a thing with Tax Credits, but people on that have migrated over to UC now.

We don’t need the population to grow. Population growth in productivity economy such as ours is a proxy for unproductive people. We have 10 million people of working age on benefits.

We need them to work. We don’t need to keep expanding the population while all these people are not contributing.

Please go back and RTFT before you fall for rage-inducing Daily Mail bollocks.The figure was actually for five kids, with disabilities.

I’ve just done the calculation for a couple with three children in private rented accommodation. The figure was £18,864 a year in UC, plus child benefits Nowhere near £71k before tax.

Most people on benefits are hard up.

We don’t need the population to grow. Population growth in productivity economy such as ours is a proxy for unproductive people. We have 10 million people of working age on benefits.

We need them to work. We don’t need to keep expanding the population while all these people are not contributing.

For those who are working to pay for this madness. If you are a family of 3 kids and in work, you would have to earn £71k a year to compete with a similar family on benefits.

No one is falling for the lie anymore that these people on benefits are hard up.

You're missing the point. Our population is only growing because of high migration, and most people don't want that to continue.

Populations are falling all over the world,,apart from some developing countries and those are also set to fall, only more slowly.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/aug/27/england-and-wales-fertility-rate-falls-for-third-consecutive-year

When else fails, insist on the lie that we need to give out free money to people because there is a shortage of people on the planet.

There is no shortage of people. There is a shortage of people paying their way in this country and not making responsible choices.

For those who are working to pay for this madness. If you are a family of 3 kids and in work, you would have to earn £71k a year to compete with a similar family on benefits.

No one is falling for the lie anymore that these people on benefits are hard up.

When else fails, insist on the lie that we need to give out free money to people because there is a shortage of people on the planet.

There is no shortage of people. There is a shortage of people paying their way in this country and not making responsible choices.

The removal of two child benefit cap will give each of these families an additional £5k per year.

Now imagine the kind of pay rise you need to get the amount in your net pay, if you are a productive member of society.

But if you choose to have children you cannot afford, then it’s just handed to your for free.

There are families out there who are paying into this madness who will have less to spend on their children so they can pay for other people’s irresponsible life choices.

Ignoring the dubiousness of the report and, for a moment, disability benefits - we should be paying for people to have more kids. We're in an ever-worsening fertility crisis.

"Can't afford kids, dont have them" attitudes miss the point that we, as a society, cannot afford the status quo (only 1.4 kids per household) to continue.

The removal of two child benefit cap will give each of these families an additional £5k per year.

Now imagine the kind of pay rise you need to get the amount in your net pay, if you are a productive member of society.

But if you choose to have children you cannot afford, then it’s just handed to your for free.

There are families out there who are paying into this madness who will have less to spend on their children so they can pay for other people’s irresponsible life choices.

That is not how she meant it and well you know it

i know a few people who either haven’t got a job, or have kept their working hours low because UC pays out more than working. It’s an absolute joke .

It's 5k a year if the recipient is disabled, caring for a disabled child or spouse, or working on a low income.

Working on a low income is open to all, btw. If you really think that will be a better life, give it a whirl. Tesco et al is likely to be hiring right about now, and care homes are always looking for staff.

Are you always so disparaging of low paid jobs, a lot of people work those jobs full time and get no benefits.

Are you always so disparaging of low paid jobs, a lot of people work those jobs full time and get no benefits.

It's 5k a year if the recipient is disabled, caring for a disabled child or spouse, or working on a low income.

Working on a low income is open to all, btw. If you really think that will be a better life, give it a whirl. Tesco et al is likely to be hiring right about now, and care homes are always looking for staff.

It's 5k a year if the recipient is disabled, caring for a disabled child or spouse, or working on a low income.

Working on a low income is open to all, btw. If you really think that will be a better life, give it a whirl. Tesco et al is likely to be hiring right about now, and care homes are always looking for staff.

i know a few people who either haven’t got a job, or have kept their working hours low because UC pays out more than working. It’s an absolute joke .

This is true

I have one child as can’t afford two £5l a year is a lot extra