Working families £18k worse off than benefits claimants after budget

People who need care deserve to be cared for by people who are want to do the work.
Unless you have forgotten things like the Winterbourne View scandal?

Absolutely! It is awful for job hunters out there at the moment, especially for young graduates.
I have seen jobs that advertise as NMW but then say it is a self employed role, so you are actually on less than that. I am not sure how that is even legal.

"Just do care work" is ridiculous. There are still so many barriers to that. You need a clean DBS, a driving license in a lot of cases. Community carers who travel between clients are often on less than NMW once their time in factored in, and they still have to pay for the wear and tear on their own car.

Millions of people work in jobs that they don’t want to do either but they do it anyway because they want to support their family. Not wanting to do work in a sector so instead claim benefits paid for by someone else is a disgrace

I have a job but when I was looking for work recently I found that around 40% of the jobs advertised did not exist or were not actually jobs (those are included in the ONS figures) including one guy who invited me to an interview for a sales role and then tried to sell me a time share, various MLMs and one lady who told me I could earn between £8000 and £20000 a month as porn star and I wouldn't even have to show my face as long as I paid an £800 joining fee upfront.

If you don't understand how dire the job market is atm you've clearly not looked for work recently. It's brutal.

Care work should be something that people want to do. Sadly, it is undervalued and underpaid.
Vulnerable people deserve carers that have pride in their job and actually want to be there.

That backs up my point of that there are jobs only people don’t want to do them

I am using ONS figures. Care jobs are included in that.
Not everyone is suitable for care work. To say anyone could do it devalues it as a role, as well as the people that need care.

There would still be several million on benefits as there not enough jobs.

You are obviously not looking hard enough. The care sector for instance is crying out for people

In the scenario you describe, our productivity as a country would go through the roof. We would see unprecedented economic growth and it would be much easier to top up low paid workers wages with the increased tax revenue this would generate. The increase in tax revenue would allow the government to make tax cuts for businesss that would stimulate further growth and generate even more jobs. This would be fantastic for everyone apart from those that are quite enjoying a life without work and on benefits as they would have to actually contribute something like the rest of us.

There aren't, though. There are 2.4 job seekers for every 1 vacancy, and that does not include those already employed but wanting to change jobs, or those who are currently classed as economically inactive, e.g., living off a spouse or the bank of mum and dad.

If all those jobs were filled by people on unemployment benefits, it wouldn't halve the number of unemployed people there are.

In what jobs?
There are 2.4 job seekers (people actively looking for work) per job vacancy right now. Those jobs are not all full time. Some are zero hours. Some are ghost jobs.

There are jobs, people just don’t want to do them

There are so many impacts we won't see until later next year eg pubs struggling on then more and more closing.
Other small business closing ...

Someone gave a detailed example of how a cafe that produces a vital local service and is staffed by people with disabilities will be affected
It's awful all around.

There were enough jobs to bring in nearly 5 million immigrants into the country in the last 5 years.

Why can’t those living off other people’s hard work in this country get to work?

Some do have justified disabilities and those who do and work part time should be applauded. However we all know there are a proportion of people who are not disabled but still work part time and claim benefits therefore being paid by the taxpayer to stay home. I think the country has reached a watershed moment regarding the welfare state and the ever increasing and unaffordable demands on it and the biggest irony of all is that Labour have brought it to this point and it will be their very undoing.

Then they should apply for jobs at the DWP.

Perfectly described

There are not enough jobs. Even if every single job vacancy was filled, you would still have millions of people not working and claiming benefits. You would also still have millions of people working and claiming benefits.

Some of those people will have disabilities that mean they can't work full time. Or childcare/caring duties. Also zero contracts means the hours someone does can fluctuate wildly from week to week.

Part time is all some people can manage. I think it is wrong to tar them all with the same brush and say they are all just lazy and don't want their benefits affected.

The truth is the people more against it are the people that live amongst & get up for work each day. They have eyes & ears, they know the difference between legitimate benefit claimants & the work shy.

Exactly they can’t articulate their point because it’s all based on emotions & not what right or factual, they also want to take the opposite view of the right. So if you don’t have the same emotional response you must be the opposite of what they are and lump you into a box labelled racist or the new one reform (which is utter ridiculous because Farage was on about scrapping the 2 cap child benefit, on this issue they’re more reform than the people against it).

In the past when it was tax credits but not now with universal credit. It's a reason why it was changed.

I think there is a lot of cognitive dissonance going on.

A lot of people want to be kind, nice people that look after the vulnerable in our society, however there is clearly a point where there are too many 'vulnerable" people for the rest of us to support without paying huge amounts into the system and seeing very little for it. This hurts ordinary working families and isn't nice and kind at all.

At that point, people begin to ask questions. Why exactly do we have so many people dependent on the welfare state? It is it right that you can be financially better off not working than working? Should we be rewarding parents for being irresponsible and bringing more and more kids into poverty? All valid questions and yet anyone asking them is accused of being misled by the right wing media or Reform. Actually though they are simply wondering if the system is balanced wrong and this needs to be addressed. Totally reasonable and sensible. If the answer is that actually the system is working fine then it should stand up to scrutiny without needing to resort to insults and belittling of those asking the questions.

an unpopular post but where my MIL lives is somewhat a benefit street. What I’m about to list I don’t have any real issue with (live as you wish) they have garden chairs on their front lawns where several families go sit & talk whilst playing loud music, having bbq’s ordering takeaways & drinking everyday in the summer. They now in and out each other houses in the winter where one lives next to an old lady who keeps asking them to turn the volume down. They can all drive etc. yet not one of them works & this is how they spend their days, something working people may do once a week if they can afford it. As I said I don’t care how they choose to live but I am irked they’re getting a payrise for it