Newly trained doctors-you need to know this

Boris Johnson’s Health and Care worker visa has surely played a big part in this problem.

Yesterday I was treated by a private consultant, getting my veins done. This topic came up as he said he had had a junior doctor with him, in Birmingham, gaining experience. I asked what had gone wrong, why could our junior doctors not all get jobs. He told me it started in 2007, under Blair, they opened the door to foreign trained doctors. At the same time they increased medical school placements. He said there was no planning as to the problems this would cause, further down the line. He knew of one job in Birmingham where 8000 applied. He himself came from India. He is a very skilled doctor and an asset to the NHS, and I am sure he is right in what he stated.

He worked for NHS Scotland so his dei status ensured no accountability

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/feb/14/nhs-nurses-being-investigated-for-industrial-scale-qualifications

It’s terrifying and ludicrous that uk trained nurse students here can’t get jobs. The government inaction as regards this is putting patients at risk.

There is also the issue of brain draining from countries like Nigeria. Who treats their patients?

He'd been living and working in the UK since 1987!

I'm sure there were many opportunities to see that he was shite at his job.

Are you not talking about slightly different things here ?

An FY2 doctor is still in training, headed to a training hospital.

The UK doctor shortage is for fully trained and done their specialty. GPs for example. A role that an FY2 can't apply for.

Should your data not be like for like ?

Or have I got that all wrong ?

Where there is still the death penalty for being gay and 93% do not accept homosexuals, where autistic people are seen as being possessed by evil and autism awareness is non existant….

Those with autism are far more likely to need psychiatric nurses.

When English is poor from any country there are also huge issues with understanding mental health, complexities and conditions like ND and yes safety. The people most vulnerable are being put the most at risk.

Absolutely. Plus the question of genuine qualifications arises. A lot of psychiatric nurses are being recruited in Nigeria, one of the most corrupt countries on earth.

OP can you ask to change your title and put in patients as everybody needs to know this .

It’s not just doctors or maiming but the most vulnerable patients getting shockingly poor treatment and being put at risk by all levels of NHS staff when language and cultural differences are an issue- mental health, elderly, learning difficulties, disabilities ….

Yet you can’t complain or you’ll be accused of racism.

Yep, meanwhile we as a country employ thousands of doctors and nurses from abroad who have been trained abroad without the gold standard UK training that yes we as the taxpayer pick up the tab for and are effectively giving away to other countries. There can be language and cultural difficulties when employing medical staff from abroad too.It’s ludicrous. Why isn’t the government doing something about this it?

Yes it was also the same for nursing students this year. It was also the same in 1991 when I qualified there were too many of us for too few jobs. Bad NHS workforce planning, once again!

More than doctors need to know.

From a patient point of view it's also terrifying because the standard of care (including ability to speak and understand UK English) is not good.

Sam eljamel also a reminder that foreign doctors can maim hundreds of people with no consequences whatsoever.

Thank you for pointing this out. It’s so so scary. I also think Wes Streeting knows this. What is he doing about it ? No point increasing the number of medical school places if this is what happens at the end of F2.

If all you have written is true (not doubting you) then that’s BLOODY AWFUL 😣