Newly trained doctors-you need to know this

No - you voluntarily withdraw from the registry ie become not active and can’t work as a doctor but keep your number .

You are correct in the first part that F2s are still in training, but at the end of their Foundation 2 year period immediately after graduating from university, there are huge bottlenecks to get into specialty training.

The BMA wrote to the government recently to point out that having a PhD and having published medical articles was still not enough to get to the shortlisting cut off to get an interview for IMT (internal medicine training), which is meant to be directly after F2.

I mean all of this said one of the stupidest girls I knew at school (properly stupid) is now a consultant at a teaching hospital after starting medicine as a second degree thanks to a dubiously conceived Access to Medicine course so I guess maybe we are screwed across multiple metrics.

So if you’re receiving poor care very much tied up with language/ communication complexities what do you suggest patients do?

This isn’t true though. Foundation doctors are still training. There’s not enough specialist places for them to go into due to lack of funding, so the competition is fierce. The doctors coming in from overseas are reg and consultant posts which we have a serious shortfall in. The two are not the same thing.

Edited a long post to summarise: it's simply rubbish all round

@Fl0w3rP0w3r

"however unpalatable that may sound" or racist perhaps? smh.

Isn’t she stuck paying something to the GMC though?

You really don’t

Of course dangerous doctors aren’t colour specific however poor English and communication difficulties are added risks and complications however unpalatable that may sound.

The UK medical training system is envied globally. As a tax payer I’d like to see it kept here.

It’s absolutely horrendous op. Quite a few from my son’s year are interesting in studying medicine, so I hope they are aware. I guess there’s always an option to work abroad it seems crazy they can’t get employment in the UK.

So more training posts?

It’s awful. I’m a consultant. One of our F3s ( probably the most talented of her year too) has been doing locum jobs this year but is struggling to get even locum work.
She has chosen not to pay her GMC and indemnity fees for the coming year and to do a shelf stacking job at Tesco for £1 less per hour until Christmas but without the stress of searching for shifts/ night work/ worrying about patients etc. She will travel in the new year and consider moving to Australia / New Zealand for work if she can’t get a job next August .

@Fl0w3rP0w3r

"And there you go- the racism accusations"

We see you, so obvious.

Dangerous Dr's are not colour specific

Did you read the article linked?

In a half-hearted effort to head off the strike without conceding on pay, Health Secretary Wes Streeting did offer an additional 1,000 specialty training posts this year, and to increase the number of additional training posts from 1,000 to 2,000 over the next three years: but that inadequate offer has now been withdrawn.

What can be done or is it beyond fixing?

why would you want to raise concerns?

Completely shocking as was the fact that the last time my parent went to see their cardiologist they couldn’t understand what they were saying (even more shocking when you know that my parent spent their working life teaching including being TEFL trained and teaching EFL for quite some time so they hardly find accents in general challenging.)
I have a good friend who worked as a consultant in a teaching hospital. While her child was in PICU her trust advertised her job, employed someone from overseas, who promptly announced that she was taking an extended trip back home before she started work and they then asked my friend to locum for her replacement until she returned from her extended holiday!

the waste is paying locus due to piss poor planning which had end up in a bottle neck

https://lowdownnhs.info/news/nhs-workforce-plans-in-chaos-amid-vacancies-and-unemployed-professionals/

this gives a more comprehensive idea of what is happening and
Chaos in resident doctor training Explains why OPs step son is looking to leave UK

And there you go- the racism accusations.

Worries about patient safety and care alongside a ludicrous system that is wasting tax payers money should not be shut down by racism accusations.

Maybe this is partly why there is a problem. It just can’t be explored. As a patient you absolutely can’t raise concerns and professionally you probably can’t either.

There are over 10,000 doctors vacancies in uk as of November 25

its a disaster of underfunding and planning over the last 2 decades

It's absolutely ludicrous. I have read about this before.

Newly qualified doctors in the UK are struggling to find jobs due to
a shortage of specialty training posts, which has created a bottleneck in the system. This is caused by a combination of factors, including poor workforce planning, funding gaps, and a high number of graduates competing for a limited number of places. As a result, many are stuck in temporary roles or face unemployment after completing their foundation training.
Key reasons for job scarcity

• Insufficient training posts: The number of available specialty training posts has not kept pace with the number of medical graduates, leading to fierce competition.
• Poor workforce planning: A lack of strategic planning by successive governments has resulted in a shortfall of training places, stunting career progression.
• Funding issues: In certain areas, such as general practice, funding shortages and poor allocation of resources prevent the creation of sufficient doctor roles.
• High competition: For example, over 30,000 doctors competed for approximately 10,000 specialty training places in one year, a situation exacerbated by unsuccessful applicants reapplying in subsequent years.
• Rise of non-training roles: Many available positions are "locally employed doctor" roles that do not count toward career progression, or doctors are forced into temporary locum positions that are often hard to secure.
• Uncertainty in allocation: Some doctors are only informed of their placement weeks before they are due to start, adding stress and uncertainty to an already difficult situation.

i dont understand why this thread had descended into racism,
at a clinic yesterday everyone of these doctors was black,
they were doing their job, employed by the nhs
most of the doctors in my department are asian
why is that an issue. ?

A quick google and you’ll find there are

8,000 doctor vacancies

yes there is a problem with newly qualified doctors and them getting employment- but you haven’t told the entire story OP. Would you care to enlighten everyone on the rest of the story?