Is the renaming of Dublin’s Herzog Park antisemitic?

"most people will know what I mean"

Well I don't. Could you explain it to me please?

It's not antisemetic, its anti IDF actions.

‘the Gaza trouble’ wow. That’s some under statement right there.

I should have put quote marks round that F word, but I think most people will know what I mean. Anyone who may already have had AS tendencies is now feeling entitled to ‘come out’.

Must say that well before the Gaza trouble, I was shocked to hear a very good friend who I’d known for ages, come out with, ‘Oh, Jewish, in a very clearly ‘anti’ tone, re someone she’d first met only minutes previously. It was a very hot day in France, she’d been asking why on earth the person in question was wearing tights, and dd had given a likely reason.

Well you just posted open antisemitism in the form of holocaust inversion on a publc forum.

Saying a Jewish leader is a Nazi is a recognized form of antisemitism called Holocaust Inversion and thanks for showing everyone your true colours.

Where and in what way is antisemitism fashionable? Enlighten me please

Context IS everything.

Sad to say, anti-semitism has become ‘fashionable’. IMO it was too often there anyway, but dormant, or at least rarely openly expressed. .

There is a C of Ireland Church on Zion Road, thats why the road is called that. Not because of the Jewish school which is on the same road.

Eejits with their football matches, every time they run one the Jewish community stay away from the park. Playground is currently under construction anyway so won't be too many kids there tomorrow. And rain is forecast.

I see some folk organising a football match now in support of renaming the park. How utterly cringe.

Oh totally. Most people are secular and there are many unionists catholics and nationalist Protestants, fluent Irish speaking hurl-bearing protestants, etc. it’s wonderful to see. Where the divides are still entrenched tend to be areas of high social deprivation who have reasons that, when you delve deep enough, are completely understandable. Historical and recent prejudice in relation to jobs, community funding, sense of identity loss, inter generational troubles related trauma, etc.

Me too. And everyone uses Catholic and Protestant when referring to areas when it's relevant. It's just a bit less political I think. And unfortunately some areas are still very much predominately one or the other and yes it is usually the disadvantaged areas. But I live near a village where the current flags on display are Tricolour, Union Jack, Palestine and Gay Pride! Nobody minds, it's great really.

That's my take anyway but I'm a blow in from the South!!

Apologies Ophelia I actually thought I was replying to ColadhSamh. My inept skills on this chat function would suggest I am indeed an older NI resident. I’m only 40 😂

I don’t disagree with anything you’ve said and I also don’t believe the move to change the park name is motivated by antisemitism.

I do think that everything has a historical context and whilst Herzog’s actions look very different through a 2020s lens. In the 1940s the Jewish population of many countries (Belarus, Hungary, Poland- where my ancestors come from) had essentially been exterminated. The concept of a safe haven for Jews was very different then. If we dug deep enough into the history of any individual with a park or street named after them the council’s funds would be spent on nothing else.

You could also argue that Nationalist and Unionist terms are outdated- the lines across all divides are blurred here and such areas might better be categorised along lines of poverty and disadvantage rather than anything else.

I don’t need your “credence” thanks, you understood what I meant. I live in NI by the way.

@Mintypanda Catholic areas? Protestant areas? If you had said Nationalist/Unionist/Loyalist I might give you more credence. Catholic/Protestant divide is very, very outdated.
I have yet to speak to anyone or indeed read anything where people want the Herzog name change because of his religion. It is because of his role in Haganah and the role he played in the IDF. I would question why some here have failed to acknowledge his brutal past involved in the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians.

Yes. I think it’s a stretch to say that Ireland is currently anti semitic. However the context of historical anti semitism adds a level of distaste to this proposal. There are so many other issues the council could be focusing on. The singular focus on Palestine in Ireland strikes me as odd, frankly. It’s also become one of those absurd polarising issues in Northern Ireland with Catholic areas packed with Palestine flags and Stars of David in Protestant communities. It cheapens the issue rather than doing anything to promote a solution.