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Is the renaming of Dublin’s Herzog Park antisemitic?

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OpheliaIsntMad · 30/11/2025 00:19

I think it is . Why make this decision at a time when anti semitism is increasing?

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DontCallMeLenYouLittleBollix · 09/12/2025 15:39

Especially not if you had any who thought mooting the possibility that Ireland has a problem with anti-Semitism was hilarious. Nothing about that says safe person to confide in.

Jewishcraic · 09/12/2025 14:28

DontCallMeLenYouLittleBollix · 09/12/2025 10:03

I think the context of my post looks different if you read it after the string of deletions!

The offending individual made multiple posts about how there couldn't be any concerns amongst Irish Jews, because none of the ones she knows had seen fit to mention it to her. Obviously this is not a sensible way to approach the issue.

I wouldn't necessarily be talking about this to my non Jewish friends either.

DontCallMeLenYouLittleBollix · 09/12/2025 10:03

Jewishcraic · 08/12/2025 22:43

Well, I probably know a lot of the Irish Jewish Community. Certainly not everyone.

If there are 2000 Jews (prob more like 3000) there are 2000 opinions. :)

Anyway, as you might guess from my user name I live in Ireland and I am Jewish. Actually in salubrius Rathgar.

I think beleagured is a good way to describe how we feel. Look, Irish people are lovely and friendly and kind and there are wonderful people. I have experienced very very little overt antisemitism. But I know college students who will hide they are Jewish, school kids ditto, people who feel lonely and isolated at work, others who have lost lifelong friends since October 7th.

And the Irish government are so one sided its awful. I have a deep loathing for President Higgins after the way he acted at HMD, and let me tell you, as a Jewish person who was at that event and walked out (2 of my friends were dragged out) I am still waiting in vain for an apology from SOMEONE about that.

Do you know how it feels when everyone in the country thinks Higgins is a saint and you just feel like you live on another planet?

Punam Rane (local councillar for Rathgar who has lots of Jewish neigbours) is still a member of Fine gael despite saying at a DCC meeting that the “entire US economy is ruled by the Jews, by Israel”

In what other country would that sort of bigotry be tolerated?. And she is a member of the party that is perceived as being the least antisemitic.

I think the context of my post looks different if you read it after the string of deletions!

The offending individual made multiple posts about how there couldn't be any concerns amongst Irish Jews, because none of the ones she knows had seen fit to mention it to her. Obviously this is not a sensible way to approach the issue.

JaneJeffer · 09/12/2025 00:17

OpheliaIsntMad · 08/12/2025 23:09

I wonder if there will ever be a post where you show some awareness or concern for the Irish Jewish community? 🧐

Ok. That has nothing to do with what I said though.

ChristmasCrumblings · 08/12/2025 23:15

I would probably not love going to a park called Netanyahu, ben gvir or smotrich park but i think herzog is fine. I don't know enough about him but i doubt he was equally war mongering, corrupt and power hungry. Also considering he died quite a while ago i dont think he can be really blamed for the recent genocide committed by Israel.

The whole thing does seem kind of anti semitic. We can't blame random jews or even all israelis for the atrocities carried out by Israel

OpheliaIsntMad · 08/12/2025 23:09

JaneJeffer · 08/12/2025 22:41

You’re the one who made a point of saying it @OpheliaIsntMad

I wonder if there will ever be a post where you show some awareness or concern for the Irish Jewish community? 🧐

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Mintypanda · 08/12/2025 23:08

Michael D Higgins is no saint I can tell you. The tea cosy fanaticism makes me sick.

OpheliaIsntMad · 08/12/2025 23:01

Jewishcraic · 08/12/2025 22:43

Well, I probably know a lot of the Irish Jewish Community. Certainly not everyone.

If there are 2000 Jews (prob more like 3000) there are 2000 opinions. :)

Anyway, as you might guess from my user name I live in Ireland and I am Jewish. Actually in salubrius Rathgar.

I think beleagured is a good way to describe how we feel. Look, Irish people are lovely and friendly and kind and there are wonderful people. I have experienced very very little overt antisemitism. But I know college students who will hide they are Jewish, school kids ditto, people who feel lonely and isolated at work, others who have lost lifelong friends since October 7th.

And the Irish government are so one sided its awful. I have a deep loathing for President Higgins after the way he acted at HMD, and let me tell you, as a Jewish person who was at that event and walked out (2 of my friends were dragged out) I am still waiting in vain for an apology from SOMEONE about that.

Do you know how it feels when everyone in the country thinks Higgins is a saint and you just feel like you live on another planet?

Punam Rane (local councillar for Rathgar who has lots of Jewish neigbours) is still a member of Fine gael despite saying at a DCC meeting that the “entire US economy is ruled by the Jews, by Israel”

In what other country would that sort of bigotry be tolerated?. And she is a member of the party that is perceived as being the least antisemitic.

Thanks @Jewishcraic
It’s much more helpful to hear your perspective than the silly back and forth that has gone on here ( I’m going to try not to reply to goady posts any more)

I truly believe most Irish are fair minded but some events ( such as the incident you describe over the Holocaust memorial and Higgins) have caused great hurt and concern to many ( if not all) Irish Jewish people.

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Mintypanda · 08/12/2025 23:01

Jewishcraic · 08/12/2025 22:50

Or you know, they might feel upset that their Jewish neighbours are being made to feel unwelcome.

BTW Herzog Park is not very visible. You have to know its there. Its hidden away behind houses. Theres not even a signpost pointing to it.

Lived just outside Rathgar for several years so I’m familiar with its location and appearance.

Jewishcraic · 08/12/2025 22:50

Mintypanda · 08/12/2025 18:52

They always have Jewish friends or relatives…

of course the residents of the salubrious Rathgar are beleaguered by tacky flag bearing rage-baiters. It brings the tone down substantially.

Or you know, they might feel upset that their Jewish neighbours are being made to feel unwelcome.

BTW Herzog Park is not very visible. You have to know its there. Its hidden away behind houses. Theres not even a signpost pointing to it.

Jewishcraic · 08/12/2025 22:47

And if I am only a 'good Jew' if I denounce Israels right to exist, than yes, you are an antisemite.

Have you seen a Jewish prayer book? The yearning for the return to Israel is on every page. Its difficult to be a committed Jew and not a supporter of Israel.

Jewishcraic · 08/12/2025 22:43

DontCallMeLenYouLittleBollix · 08/12/2025 20:20

Always worth considering in such a situation that even if one does have friends from a particular community, that isn't sufficient reason to presume their experiences are representative, let alone determinative. In the case of Irish Jews, there's over 2000 of them. I doubt there's one person even inside the community who knows the majority, let alone outside it.

Well, I probably know a lot of the Irish Jewish Community. Certainly not everyone.

If there are 2000 Jews (prob more like 3000) there are 2000 opinions. :)

Anyway, as you might guess from my user name I live in Ireland and I am Jewish. Actually in salubrius Rathgar.

I think beleagured is a good way to describe how we feel. Look, Irish people are lovely and friendly and kind and there are wonderful people. I have experienced very very little overt antisemitism. But I know college students who will hide they are Jewish, school kids ditto, people who feel lonely and isolated at work, others who have lost lifelong friends since October 7th.

And the Irish government are so one sided its awful. I have a deep loathing for President Higgins after the way he acted at HMD, and let me tell you, as a Jewish person who was at that event and walked out (2 of my friends were dragged out) I am still waiting in vain for an apology from SOMEONE about that.

Do you know how it feels when everyone in the country thinks Higgins is a saint and you just feel like you live on another planet?

Punam Rane (local councillar for Rathgar who has lots of Jewish neigbours) is still a member of Fine gael despite saying at a DCC meeting that the “entire US economy is ruled by the Jews, by Israel”

In what other country would that sort of bigotry be tolerated?. And she is a member of the party that is perceived as being the least antisemitic.

JaneJeffer · 08/12/2025 22:41

You’re the one who made a point of saying it @OpheliaIsntMad

OpheliaIsntMad · 08/12/2025 22:29

JaneJeffer · 08/12/2025 21:21

Nobody in Ireland says “a gas”; it’s gas.

That would be relevant if this was a thread about Irish idioms.

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JaneJeffer · 08/12/2025 21:21

Nobody in Ireland says “a gas”; it’s gas.

Morningsleepin · 08/12/2025 20:49

Mintypanda · 08/12/2025 19:58

Baseline probability of being Irish with Jewish friends AND relatives is extremely low, for starters.

Second, it’s a trump card people tend to pull out of the bag on forums like this that smacks of the old “Some of my best friends are Jews” trope

Now you've made it sound like being Irish and having Jewish friends is in itself antisemitic

dairydebris · 08/12/2025 20:22

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You're not even making sense anymore.
I'm embarrassed for you.
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DontCallMeLenYouLittleBollix · 08/12/2025 20:20

Always worth considering in such a situation that even if one does have friends from a particular community, that isn't sufficient reason to presume their experiences are representative, let alone determinative. In the case of Irish Jews, there's over 2000 of them. I doubt there's one person even inside the community who knows the majority, let alone outside it.

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Theres no need for anyone to insinuate anything is there? You've openly posted Holocaust Inversion and haven't taken it back. Highly doubt you've any Jewish friends or relatives, they'd have pulled you up in no time.
I'm not a racist I have lots of black friends 🙄sure sure

OpheliaIsntMad · 08/12/2025 20:02

Greysowhat · 08/12/2025 19:54

How so?

You find the concerns of the Irish Jewish community amusing / hilarious or “a gas”
That was one of the giveaways

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Mintypanda · 08/12/2025 19:58

Baseline probability of being Irish with Jewish friends AND relatives is extremely low, for starters.

Second, it’s a trump card people tend to pull out of the bag on forums like this that smacks of the old “Some of my best friends are Jews” trope

Greysowhat · 08/12/2025 19:54

OpheliaIsntMad · 08/12/2025 19:52

🤔 You gave yourself away

How so?

OpheliaIsntMad · 08/12/2025 19:52

Greysowhat · 08/12/2025 19:48

What makes you think I'm not being truthful

🤔 You gave yourself away

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