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Is the renaming of Dublin’s Herzog Park antisemitic?

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OpheliaIsntMad · 30/11/2025 00:19

I think it is . Why make this decision at a time when anti semitism is increasing?

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OpheliaIsntMad · 18/12/2025 14:16

Jewishcraic · 18/12/2025 14:10

its lovely to be a pacifist when you are hiding behind another countries/continents army. And you aren't worried that you will be murdered for being Jewish by someone who was inspired by the likes of Kneecap, one of whom "...draped in a Hizballah flag, shouted to the crowd, “Up Hamas, up Hizballah.”

I'm not overly concerned about my safety in Ireland, (although plenty of my fellow Irish Jews are) but I bet little Matildas parents weren't either. Or the others who got murdered on sunday (I went to school with one of the victims so this has hit me very hard)

People supporting Hamas are not moderates or pacifists.

The marches for Palestine may have been largely well intentioned but they have harboured and emboldened a vicious element of anti semitic extremists.
This has gone in for far far too long . I can understand why so many Jewish families are thinking of relocating to Israel . Many no longer feel safe here and if people don’t understand why they are being deliberately obtuse .

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DaisyDenise · 18/12/2025 14:14

OpheliaIsntMad · 18/12/2025 14:10

Absolutely 👍🏼

I don’t think too many on this thread live in Ireland or NI, do they?
There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding unfortunately.

Jewishcraic · 18/12/2025 14:14

DaisyDenise · 18/12/2025 14:11

The reason independence is dangerous is because of loyalist terrorists, not republican terrorists, you do realise that? They’re the ones who’d object violently.
Although the IRA would respond of course and back to square one…

Nobody wants that, or very, very few at least.
Not Kneecap anyway. I don’t see that. They’re playing.

I thought there were economic objections to unification. People I have spoken to on this topic don't seem over excited about unification at all.

DaisyDenise · 18/12/2025 14:11

HoneyParsnipSoup · 18/12/2025 14:05

I wish Kneecap would stop being so yellow and disingenuous and just proudly out themselves as strong republicans and supporters of ‘resistance’. It’s so clear for anyone to see and the fannying around pretending they’re ’against all conflict’ while signalling the opposite is just cowardly.

I have no feelings about Irish independence or what happens on the island of Ireland in general, I’m English but see it as none of my business and whatever they decide good luck to them. If the majority want to completely cut ties that’s a matter for them and they should be free to hold that referendum and get on with it. But I hold nothing but contempt for mealy mouthed losers like Kneecap who know ultimately they can agitate to their heart’s content and will be surrounded by security, cheering crowds and a legion of blue haired yobbos online.

The reason independence is dangerous is because of loyalist terrorists, not republican terrorists, you do realise that? They’re the ones who’d object violently.
Although the IRA would respond of course and back to square one…

Nobody wants that, or very, very few at least.
Not Kneecap anyway. I don’t see that. They’re playing.

OpheliaIsntMad · 18/12/2025 14:10

HoneyParsnipSoup · 18/12/2025 14:05

I wish Kneecap would stop being so yellow and disingenuous and just proudly out themselves as strong republicans and supporters of ‘resistance’. It’s so clear for anyone to see and the fannying around pretending they’re ’against all conflict’ while signalling the opposite is just cowardly.

I have no feelings about Irish independence or what happens on the island of Ireland in general, I’m English but see it as none of my business and whatever they decide good luck to them. If the majority want to completely cut ties that’s a matter for them and they should be free to hold that referendum and get on with it. But I hold nothing but contempt for mealy mouthed losers like Kneecap who know ultimately they can agitate to their heart’s content and will be surrounded by security, cheering crowds and a legion of blue haired yobbos online.

Absolutely 👍🏼

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Jewishcraic · 18/12/2025 14:10

its lovely to be a pacifist when you are hiding behind another countries/continents army. And you aren't worried that you will be murdered for being Jewish by someone who was inspired by the likes of Kneecap, one of whom "...draped in a Hizballah flag, shouted to the crowd, “Up Hamas, up Hizballah.”

I'm not overly concerned about my safety in Ireland, (although plenty of my fellow Irish Jews are) but I bet little Matildas parents weren't either. Or the others who got murdered on sunday (I went to school with one of the victims so this has hit me very hard)

People supporting Hamas are not moderates or pacifists.

OpheliaIsntMad · 18/12/2025 14:09

DaisyDenise · 18/12/2025 13:05

You’re not in Ireland I think @OpheliaIsntMad? Or you’d realise how much the average Irish person abhorred the actions of the provisional IRA. They did not stand for me, or the people I know. I’d run miles from any known IRA associates so I’m not sure what point you’re making here.

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I know most Irish people ( rightly ) deplore the reality of the IRA but there is still a tendency to romanticise aspects of the nationalist struggle and to equate it with the Palestinian struggle. That’s fine if it means sympathising with the suffering of innocent civilians but it sometimes becomes a tolerance of “armed struggle “ that can mean the glorification of terrorism.

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HoneyParsnipSoup · 18/12/2025 14:05

DaisyDenise · 18/12/2025 14:00

Kneecap are not the PIRA, though they are republican. They say their name is ironic as they are singing about things that would have got them kneecapped where they live (Belfast). There is also an Irish language pun involved in the name. They say they support peace, for Ireland and Palestine, though they are undoubtedly controversial.

The president, Catherine Connolly, is a pacifist so probably does represent a lot of Irish people. She has vowed to use her presidency as a “voice for peace”. She greeted the band member at a 10km charity run they had organised to raise funds for “the Gaza Food and Play project, which provides emergency food, water and crucial psychosocial support for children in Gaza”.

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I wish Kneecap would stop being so yellow and disingenuous and just proudly out themselves as strong republicans and supporters of ‘resistance’. It’s so clear for anyone to see and the fannying around pretending they’re ’against all conflict’ while signalling the opposite is just cowardly.

I have no feelings about Irish independence or what happens on the island of Ireland in general, I’m English but see it as none of my business and whatever they decide good luck to them. If the majority want to completely cut ties that’s a matter for them and they should be free to hold that referendum and get on with it. But I hold nothing but contempt for mealy mouthed losers like Kneecap who know ultimately they can agitate to their heart’s content and will be surrounded by security, cheering crowds and a legion of blue haired yobbos online.

DaisyDenise · 18/12/2025 14:00

Jewishcraic · 18/12/2025 13:37

Can you explain why a member of a band called kneecap was greeted by the President of Ireland yesterday then?

Or does she not represent the average people of Ireland?

Kneecap are not the PIRA, though they are republican. They say their name is ironic as they are singing about things that would have got them kneecapped where they live (Belfast). There is also an Irish language pun involved in the name. They say they support peace, for Ireland and Palestine, though they are undoubtedly controversial.

The president, Catherine Connolly, is a pacifist so probably does represent a lot of Irish people. She has vowed to use her presidency as a “voice for peace”. She greeted the band member at a 10km charity run they had organised to raise funds for “the Gaza Food and Play project, which provides emergency food, water and crucial psychosocial support for children in Gaza”.

Jewishcraic · 18/12/2025 13:40

EddyNeddy · 18/12/2025 10:53

With the exception of the US, where a violent white supremacist antisemitic threat exists, the violent threat to Jewish communities across the West comes from a single group - radicalised Islamists - who are not paying any attention to the spouting platitudes of Irish nationalists or lefty uni students. They hate them too.

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thats just not true. I think radical Islamists get very encouraged by leftists shouting globalise the intafada on their weekly marches.

And if your teenager was being bullied in school for being Jewish by his Irish Catholic classmates, you might feel a teeny bit differently about this.

Jewishcraic · 18/12/2025 13:37

DaisyDenise · 18/12/2025 13:05

You’re not in Ireland I think @OpheliaIsntMad? Or you’d realise how much the average Irish person abhorred the actions of the provisional IRA. They did not stand for me, or the people I know. I’d run miles from any known IRA associates so I’m not sure what point you’re making here.

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Can you explain why a member of a band called kneecap was greeted by the President of Ireland yesterday then?

Or does she not represent the average people of Ireland?

HoneyParsnipSoup · 18/12/2025 13:07

This fantasy that ‘Ireland knows what it’s like for Palestinians’ is laughable

DaisyDenise · 18/12/2025 13:05

You’re not in Ireland I think @OpheliaIsntMad? Or you’d realise how much the average Irish person abhorred the actions of the provisional IRA. They did not stand for me, or the people I know. I’d run miles from any known IRA associates so I’m not sure what point you’re making here.

OpheliaIsntMad · 18/12/2025 11:01

EddyNeddy · 18/12/2025 10:53

With the exception of the US, where a violent white supremacist antisemitic threat exists, the violent threat to Jewish communities across the West comes from a single group - radicalised Islamists - who are not paying any attention to the spouting platitudes of Irish nationalists or lefty uni students. They hate them too.

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Yes - on one level I agree . The extreme terrorism is from Islamic fundamentalists.
But there are countless acts of a more minor kind ( verbal abuse/ threats / Holocaust memorials being desecrated) that have risen in Europe . I think societies have been far too tolerant of the vile rhetoric expressed (purportedly in support of Palestinians )
It’s not just Ireland - it’s across Europe. I don’t think Ireland is any worse than other European countries. But the historical alliance between the IRA and PLO and Nationalist communities and Palestine has added to the marginalisation of Irish Jews.

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EddyNeddy · 18/12/2025 10:53

OpheliaIsntMad · 18/12/2025 10:50

Words do make Irish Jews less safe . Inflammatory language builds aggression in people and leads to violence.
Slogans such as “Death to the IDF” and Globalise the Intifada and “From the River to the Sea “ should be condemned as an obvious antisemitic threat of violence to Jews - not just in Israel but across the world.
The posturing of Kneecap with Hezbollah material / Michael d Higgins actions at the Holocaust memorial etc - these things will make Irish Jews less safe

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With the exception of the US, where a violent white supremacist antisemitic threat exists, the violent threat to Jewish communities across the West comes from a single group - radicalised Islamists - who are not paying any attention to the spouting platitudes of Irish nationalists or lefty uni students. They hate them too.

OpheliaIsntMad · 18/12/2025 10:50

EddyNeddy · 18/12/2025 10:00

There are a lot of Irish nationalists who identify very strongly with Palestine (just like there are lots of Ulster Unionists who identify very strongly with Israel), but Irish nationalists have never committed violent antisemitic attacks and I don’t think any reasonable person would foresee that as something that is likely to happen. Their words do not make Irish Jews less safe.

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Words do make Irish Jews less safe . Inflammatory language builds aggression in people and leads to violence.
Slogans such as “Death to the IDF” and Globalise the Intifada and “From the River to the Sea “ should be condemned as an obvious antisemitic threat of violence to Jews - not just in Israel but across the world.
The posturing of Kneecap with Hezbollah material / Michael d Higgins actions at the Holocaust memorial etc - these things will make Irish Jews less safe

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EddyNeddy · 18/12/2025 10:00

OpheliaIsntMad · 16/12/2025 21:14

There is an Irish Nationalist element that is very quick to identify with Palestinians and equally quick to denounce anyone they don’t think is properly Irish.
Theyre old school fascists in my view.-Fortunately they are in a minority.

There are a lot of Irish nationalists who identify very strongly with Palestine (just like there are lots of Ulster Unionists who identify very strongly with Israel), but Irish nationalists have never committed violent antisemitic attacks and I don’t think any reasonable person would foresee that as something that is likely to happen. Their words do not make Irish Jews less safe.

DaisyDenise · 17/12/2025 10:48

The Taoiseach’s words echo those of other elected officials, a rare example of Ireland’s political class collectively agreeing to tone down the old Jew-baiting just this once.

I mean, the above is the sort of absolute rubbish the Spectator has seen fit to publish on the matter. More fool the people who believe it. All you can do is ignore.

DaisyDenise · 17/12/2025 10:25

Surely whether it’s true or not should matter?
I don’t think Ireland is worse than anywhere else, there’s no evidence of that. Not that that’s good enough of course, I’m not saying that! It’s not. But singling Ireland out seems like a defence mechanism because of their criticism of Israel’s actions in Gaza.

Mintypanda · 17/12/2025 09:24

DaisyDenise · 17/12/2025 08:44

The Spectator is not exactly an unbiased source!

I agree. My point was that word is spreading, whatever the source.

DaisyDenise · 17/12/2025 08:44

Mintypanda · 17/12/2025 08:00

The narrative around antisemitism in Ireland is spreading like wildfire (see the Spectator for instance). Our reputation as the land of 1000 welcomes is dwindling rapidly.

The Spectator is not exactly an unbiased source!

Mintypanda · 17/12/2025 08:03

OpheliaIsntMad · 16/12/2025 21:14

There is an Irish Nationalist element that is very quick to identify with Palestinians and equally quick to denounce anyone they don’t think is properly Irish.
Theyre old school fascists in my view.-Fortunately they are in a minority.

100 per cent. I think this is partially why I feel more comfortable in NI. I used to take pride in being Irish but I don’t really care any more and I can see the likes of RTE and the Times from a different angle now and how massively biased they are.

Mintypanda · 17/12/2025 08:00

The narrative around antisemitism in Ireland is spreading like wildfire (see the Spectator for instance). Our reputation as the land of 1000 welcomes is dwindling rapidly.

OpheliaIsntMad · 16/12/2025 21:14

There is an Irish Nationalist element that is very quick to identify with Palestinians and equally quick to denounce anyone they don’t think is properly Irish.
Theyre old school fascists in my view.-Fortunately they are in a minority.

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OpheliaIsntMad · 10/12/2025 00:22

Jewishcraic · 09/12/2025 14:28

I wouldn't necessarily be talking about this to my non Jewish friends either.

Its very sad ( but completely understandable) why you say that.
There have been some encouraging posts earlier in this thread from Irish posters who do show support for the Jewish community in Ireland. I hope they are in the majority but I do think the silent majority needs to be more vocal .
We’ve seen evidence on this thread of how a very small minority of posters can hijack a discussion by parroting anti semitic rhetoric and showing complete disregard for the safety of their fellow citizens.
( There are one or two other posters who just come on a thread like this to derail it rather than show sympathy or concern for the Jewish community. )
If any poster still reading doesn’t think there’s a problem in Ireland they should read Rachel Moiselle’s article ( there is also a problem across Europe/- this isn’t a particularly Irish problem) https://x.com/rachelmoiselle/status/1974752769308311947?s=46

Rachel Moiselle (@RachelMoiselle) on X

Good morning, everyone. It is with sadness that I share my article for the Sunday Independent. It is one that should not have had to be written. Already we have seen a cynical narrative emerge that Israel’s conduct in Gaza is to blame for the Yom Kip...

https://x.com/rachelmoiselle/status/1974752769308311947?s=46

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