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Is the renaming of Dublin’s Herzog Park antisemitic?

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OpheliaIsntMad · 30/11/2025 00:19

I think it is . Why make this decision at a time when anti semitism is increasing?

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Mintypanda · 18/12/2025 18:52

XWKD · 18/12/2025 15:47

They're just shit-stirring scumbags.

Put wonderfully. There’s a lack of nuance, intelligence, and subtlety that you’d see if irony was at play.

Fair dues to them for doing something different and reviving the language somewhat though.

25milesfromhome · 18/12/2025 16:59

OpheliaIsntMad · 18/12/2025 14:17

I think we’re pretty well informed.
https://www.adl.org/resources/article/kneecap-irish-hip-hop-trio-promoting-violence-against-israel

The picture of someone in a tricolour balaclava reading a book of Hezbollah sayings 🤮

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I wonder if any of these classic Hasrallah statements are in the craven clout-chaser's very special book? Plenty of inspiration:

"That is why if Lebanon concludes a peace agreement with Israel and brings that accord to the Parliament our deputies will reject it; Hezbollah refuses any conciliation with Israel in principle.”

"If they (Jews) all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide."

“If we searched the entire world for a person more cowardly, despicable, weak and feeble in psyche, mind, ideology and religion, we would not find anyone like the Jew. Notice, I do not say the Israeli.”

“The Palestinian National Charter will live on as long as there is a knife in a Palestinian woman’s hand with which she stabs an Israeli soldier or settler … as long as there are suicide bombers in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv … and as long as there is a child who throws a stone in the face of an Israeli soldier.”

"The Jews invented the legend of the Nazi atrocities… They can speak of fabricated or exaggerated massacres that occurred during the Second World War, but we must not forget the massacres that they committed against us and the peoples of the region which are documented and proven…"

Maybe J.J. Ó Dochartaigh, former teacher at a Catholic grammar school turned tedious little edgelord will delight his fans next with a photo displaying his treasured collection of tea towels printed with his favourite inspirational Hasrallah quotes, or perhaps a woodcut hanging on his wall, like a kind of Live Love Laugh for people who revere violent terrorist organisations and their leaders.

DaisyDenise · 18/12/2025 15:48

OpheliaIsntMad · 18/12/2025 14:09

I know most Irish people ( rightly ) deplore the reality of the IRA but there is still a tendency to romanticise aspects of the nationalist struggle and to equate it with the Palestinian struggle. That’s fine if it means sympathising with the suffering of innocent civilians but it sometimes becomes a tolerance of “armed struggle “ that can mean the glorification of terrorism.

An abhorrence of terrorism is what it’s taught most people, if you’re talking about things like Oct 7th or provisional IRA or loyalist atrocities.

The War of Independence is seen differently I agree (for the most part), but never the murder of innocents.

XWKD · 18/12/2025 15:47

Mintypanda · 18/12/2025 15:22

I cannot abide Kneecap. Does anyone actually think they are genuinely being “ironic”? Can you imagine being “ironically” pro Ku Klux Klan?

However I’ll credit them this- they’re the first thing to actually have a positive influence on Irish language use among young people. Probably why Catherine Connolly is such a fan.

They're just shit-stirring scumbags.

XWKD · 18/12/2025 15:46

The GP situation in Ireland is not so great. I used to be able to attend without an appointment. Then visits were by appointment only, but the same day if I wanted it. That was great as queues were shorter in the waiting room. Now appointments can take a week or longer to get. It's quite common throughout the country.

Access to expensive treatments, like cancer and MS drugs used to be amongst the best in the world. Now some newer expensive treatments take a long to be approved for public patients, so they are only available with insurance. That wasn't the case before.

The waiting lists are horrendous. A&E times are a disgrace, and it can take months or years to get an OP appointment. This was always a problem in Ireland, but now it's absolutely ridiculous.

The budget is huge, but the more money that's thrown at the problem the worse it seems to be getting.

Mintypanda · 18/12/2025 15:22

I cannot abide Kneecap. Does anyone actually think they are genuinely being “ironic”? Can you imagine being “ironically” pro Ku Klux Klan?

However I’ll credit them this- they’re the first thing to actually have a positive influence on Irish language use among young people. Probably why Catherine Connolly is such a fan.

TheignT · 18/12/2025 15:07

DaisyDenise · 18/12/2025 14:45

Good to know. I suppose you hear about it on MN more when there are problems!

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Yes I think we are more likely to start a thread about poor service than about good service. Sad really.

DaisyDenise · 18/12/2025 14:45

Good to know. I suppose you hear about it on MN more when there are problems!

TheignT · 18/12/2025 14:44

DaisyDenise · 18/12/2025 14:30

I think we’re a particularly unhealthy bunch in this house…lots of chronic inflammatory conditions. The GP costs a lot here 😅

Must easier to get an appointment than the MN threads I’ve read seem to indicate though, and that’s a huge plus.

Getting a GP appointment varies alot on the NHS. I did an online request for an issue I have. Dr phoned about half an hour ago, reassured me about somethings, arranged a blood test and asked if I wanted to go in this afternoon to see her. I said I didn't think it was urgent and she said ok but she'd put it on my notes that if I wanted to see her it was to be a priority.

I know I'm lucky but I don't think it is fair that the NHS is always criticised.

DaisyDenise · 18/12/2025 14:44

OpheliaIsntMad · 18/12/2025 14:32

The point is that their rhetoric and actions embolden others to abuse ( eg school children to bully Jewish children )

Yes, you’re right. One of them was a teacher, wasn’t he? You’d think he’d be more aware of the potential consequences regarding bullying in schools, in particular.

DaisyDenise · 18/12/2025 14:37

Jewishcraic · 18/12/2025 14:32

complete spinoff but don't you get a medical card with chronic conditions?

Only some…diabetes, cystic fibrosis, epilepsy, cerebral palsy, intellectual disability and several others. There’s a list.

But loads of chronic conditions aren’t covered.

HoneyParsnipSoup · 18/12/2025 14:34

DaisyDenise · 18/12/2025 14:26

Which Irish posters said that? I know I didn’t.

I actually don’t think the problem is ‘real’ Irish people. There are a huge group of white, British ‘Your Party’ followers who have internalised self loathing to such a degree they will passionately and unintelligently support whichever side is the one perceived to be opposed to ‘British colonial imperialism’ (aka Britain in general). They’re full of the romance of republicanism and resistance because they’re from middle class homes in mostly England; they’ve never known what it’s like to be unsafe, and they’ll never be at risk from the inflammation they create. They’re happy to put other individuals at risk, and to play the victim of the State knowing ultimately their rights will always be upheld by the very constitution they despise.

They’re grade A twats, absolutely no friend of the Irish and the moment the going got tough they would throw them under the bus. People I know who grew up in the thick of the Troubles have no time for agitation, blind support of a ‘resistance’ or those who urge others to take risk on their behalf.

OpheliaIsntMad · 18/12/2025 14:32

DaisyDenise · 18/12/2025 14:25

Yes, they court controversy and I don’t support that in any way. PP is right in that their actions can often clash with what they say (about supporting peace).

The point is that their rhetoric and actions embolden others to abuse ( eg school children to bully Jewish children )

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Jewishcraic · 18/12/2025 14:32

DaisyDenise · 18/12/2025 14:30

I think we’re a particularly unhealthy bunch in this house…lots of chronic inflammatory conditions. The GP costs a lot here 😅

Must easier to get an appointment than the MN threads I’ve read seem to indicate though, and that’s a huge plus.

complete spinoff but don't you get a medical card with chronic conditions?

DaisyDenise · 18/12/2025 14:30

Jewishcraic · 18/12/2025 14:24

not sure what is a bigger disaster, HSE vs NHS. But I've had very little personal experience of NHS.

Reality is paying for GP visits costs the average person very little and provides a far better service.

I remember reading around Brexit time that this would speed up unification, so far not much movement on that front.

I think we’re a particularly unhealthy bunch in this house…lots of chronic inflammatory conditions. The GP costs a lot here 😅

Must easier to get an appointment than the MN threads I’ve read seem to indicate though, and that’s a huge plus.

OpheliaIsntMad · 18/12/2025 14:29

DaisyDenise · 18/12/2025 14:26

Which Irish posters said that? I know I didn’t.

No - it definitely wasn’t you!
It’s happened lots of times on various threads .

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DaisyDenise · 18/12/2025 14:26

OpheliaIsntMad · 18/12/2025 14:24

I’m really sorry to hear that.
I’ve taken the view on here that Ireland is probably the same as other European countries. There has been ALOT of push back on here from some Irish posters who insisted there was no anti- semitism at all .

Which Irish posters said that? I know I didn’t.

DaisyDenise · 18/12/2025 14:25

OpheliaIsntMad · 18/12/2025 14:17

I think we’re pretty well informed.
https://www.adl.org/resources/article/kneecap-irish-hip-hop-trio-promoting-violence-against-israel

The picture of someone in a tricolour balaclava reading a book of Hezbollah sayings 🤮

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Yes, they court controversy and I don’t support that in any way. PP is right in that their actions can often clash with what they say (about supporting peace).

Jewishcraic · 18/12/2025 14:24

DaisyDenise · 18/12/2025 14:16

Yes there are, you’re right about that. The NHS isn’t replicated in Ireland (ROI), for example. GP visits are only covered for certain groups of people by the HSE here.

But that’s not why it’s dangerous iyswim. Nobody in their right mind is looking for unification anytime soon, even if they’re that way inclined. Too soon will see a return to violence in NI. Healing will take generations.

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not sure what is a bigger disaster, HSE vs NHS. But I've had very little personal experience of NHS.

Reality is paying for GP visits costs the average person very little and provides a far better service.

I remember reading around Brexit time that this would speed up unification, so far not much movement on that front.

OpheliaIsntMad · 18/12/2025 14:24

Jewishcraic · 18/12/2025 14:20

The Jewish Representative Councli of Ireland is compiling a report on antisemitism here and so far the number of incidents seem to be proportionally far higher than in other countries.

(things like, kids being bullied in school for being Jewish, being refused to be served by a business, abuse in public spaces...etc)

I’m really sorry to hear that.
I’ve taken the view on here that Ireland is probably the same as other European countries. There has been ALOT of push back on here from some Irish posters who insisted there was no anti- semitism at all .

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OpheliaIsntMad · 18/12/2025 14:22

HoneyParsnipSoup · 18/12/2025 14:18

Of course I understand that.

But Kneecap rely on agitating, these grievances actively serve them in their notoriety and fame without them having to risk themselves in any way. What they’re doing is very cowardly.

And dangerous - it incites others .
And even if it doesn’t lead to an atrocity like Bondi Beach you can be damned sure it will encourage some little oiks to bully Jewish children in their school or neighbourhood

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Jewishcraic · 18/12/2025 14:20

The Jewish Representative Councli of Ireland is compiling a report on antisemitism here and so far the number of incidents seem to be proportionally far higher than in other countries.

(things like, kids being bullied in school for being Jewish, being refused to be served by a business, abuse in public spaces...etc)

HoneyParsnipSoup · 18/12/2025 14:18

DaisyDenise · 18/12/2025 14:11

The reason independence is dangerous is because of loyalist terrorists, not republican terrorists, you do realise that? They’re the ones who’d object violently.
Although the IRA would respond of course and back to square one…

Nobody wants that, or very, very few at least.
Not Kneecap anyway. I don’t see that. They’re playing.

Of course I understand that.

But Kneecap rely on agitating, these grievances actively serve them in their notoriety and fame without them having to risk themselves in any way. What they’re doing is very cowardly.

OpheliaIsntMad · 18/12/2025 14:17

DaisyDenise · 18/12/2025 14:14

I don’t think too many on this thread live in Ireland or NI, do they?
There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding unfortunately.

I think we’re pretty well informed.
https://www.adl.org/resources/article/kneecap-irish-hip-hop-trio-promoting-violence-against-israel

The picture of someone in a tricolour balaclava reading a book of Hezbollah sayings 🤮

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DaisyDenise · 18/12/2025 14:16

Jewishcraic · 18/12/2025 14:14

I thought there were economic objections to unification. People I have spoken to on this topic don't seem over excited about unification at all.

Yes there are, you’re right about that. The NHS isn’t replicated in Ireland (ROI), for example. GP visits are only covered for certain groups of people by the HSE here.

But that’s not why it’s dangerous iyswim. Nobody in their right mind is looking for unification anytime soon, even if they’re that way inclined. Too soon will see a return to violence in NI. Healing will take generations.

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