Is the renaming of Dublin’s Herzog Park antisemitic?

I think that’s because it’s part of the Western world @SharonEllis. It’s closer to home in that sense. US news is absolutely huge too, Russia/Ukraine etc. And not many on MN support Russia or Trump so less controversial here too?

So it’s human nature I think. Doesn’t cover anyone in glory though, the way we’re all so self-obsessed.

Even if you accept war crimes committed by Israel (Which I do) or genocide (which I dont) here are war crimes and genocide in many other parts of the world with NOTHING LIKEthe attention that Israel gets either in Ireland, the UN or lretty much anywhere else Thats the fucking point.

Oh for gods sake, really? Again we go though this?? Criticism of Israel is not automatically antisemitic. Of course it isnt. Nobody ctiticises the Israeli government more than Israelis.

But you can't say criticism of the Israeli government 'isnt antisemitic'. That's ridiculous. It often IS motivated by antisemitism. If the only foreign country you bang on about is Israel, you are almost certainly antisemitic. If you see only Israel to blame for the conflict you are antisemitic. If you accuse people who express support for Israel as being paid by the Israeli government you are using antisemitic tropes and you might want to check what antisemitic propaganda you are consuming.

And, by the way, Rachel.Moiselle is also pretty critical of the Israeli government. It doesn't stop her being able to recognise antisemitic criticism of Israel and separate it out from non racist criticism.

And anyway, that wasnt the point I was making. I was talking about why Ireland had a high profile in this debate. Its not because of Self-hating Irish people, as Rachel has been characterised.

No genocide has taken place.

I think you will find overall it is Israel 'that has been put under the microscope more than any other nation on MN' over the past two + years.
Absolutely they have for their war crimes and potential genocide would be strange and concerning if they weren't.

Irish state's active decision be be at the forefront of criticism of Israel though
Which is not antisemitic. Should everyone just say nothing when they see war crimes taking place. Give over you are now equating criticism of the Israel government with antisemitism thought that was antisemitic.

I have zero issue with the Irish governments stance on the actions of the Israeli government in Gaza and the west Bank and maybe they were one of the first to be vocal about it but they were certainly not the last.

I can assure you that in the UK we are up against both the lily livered government and, in many cases the police e.g. the Met in London and West Midlands Police, in trying to combat antisemitism here.

I think you will find overall it is Israel 'that has been put under the microscope more than any other nation on MN' over the past two + years.

As far as anti semitism is concerned the fact that the Irish Government had to step in over the proposed renaming of Herzog Park illustrated the concerns at high level about antisemitism in Ireland.

I've been listening, very closely.

I'm sorry that you had a difficult experience abroad. Prejudice is always hurtful and upsetting and its always unfair when ordinary citizens are held responsible for the actions of their government. Those Israelis have probably experienced it time and time again themselves. Many Jews and Israelis are actively self censoring, hiding their identity and simply not going to places where they know they will be harassed.

None of that is the result of a PhD student whose written a few articles exaggerating the Irish state's active decision be be at the forefront of criticism of Israel though. We're all agreed now that Moisrlle's documentation of antisemitism in Ireland is broadly fair and accurate. Choices about foreign & domestic policy have been the Irish government's choice, and brought them to higher prominence. Whether its Higgins disgraceful behaviour, the Occupied territories bill, intervening in the ICJ case, being one of the last to adopt the IHRA definition, and one of the first to pull out of Eurovision (obvs not directly the governmebt in this case). People can't not criticise Irish policy, politicians and citizens because someone might, unjustifiably, be prejudiced against ordinary Irish citizens.

No idea what those now deleted posts said but in answer to your query
I always thought Ireland was quite a healthy democracy
Ireland does rank quite high on the democracy indicators. We do though have a very centralised system of government and imo there does need to be more effort to devolve powers to more regional and local structures. As a result voter turn out for local elections tends to be quite low in comparison to general elections unless there's a particular local issue exercising people. It also means the calibre of some local councillors can be quite poor and inexperienced, many career politicians or more experienced professional candidates would use it as a platform to central government so can move on quite quickly.

Ireland is responsible for apportioning its own bias, as is any other country.

You only have to look at the Eurovision song contest for a preview of how hostile the feelings towards jews are, not to mention Glasto. As with all countries, there are good and bad eggs. It gets quite tedious when the I'm anti Zio phrase is used.

Well this turn took an unexpected turn. On the one hand so much concern for Ireland's reputation. On the other trashing Ireland's democractic structures and dismissing the significance of its publicly elected representatives in its capital City. Ok, very interesting. I always thought Ireland was quite a healthy democracy.

Touched a nerve did I? More semantics.

Talking of ignorance ...

Minimise minimise minimise. Jews ARE being victimised, harassed and pursued by MANY people, including those in power, whether formally or currently. Maybe it's time to jog memories of a certain minister, who quickly deleted his antisemitic tweet after Jewish kids were kicked off a flight. Let's also not forget the current chief constable of West Mids police, who's facing an inquisition over his handling of the Villa football match. Whether it's full on antisemitism or appeasing other communities, it's ALWAYS at the expense of Jews. Hmmmm...the BS on these threads is always off the scale.

If you read my previous posts it would be clear what I was on about

Hear hear Sharon. Well played on finding evidence of what you've been saying all along, despite the desperate attempts to discredit you. Those attempts speak volumes. Semantics about phrases you've used with regards quantification, seems to be the new way of minimising antisemitism and haven't we seen MANY ways on this forum.