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Is the renaming of Dublin’s Herzog Park antisemitic?

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OpheliaIsntMad · 30/11/2025 00:19

I think it is . Why make this decision at a time when anti semitism is increasing?

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OneGladPinkTraybake · 07/01/2026 21:45

SharonEllis · 07/01/2026 21:11

You said she is a Catholic. She has not been a catholic for a decade. You said her motivations are 'very, very murky' without explanation which is certainly an insinuation and you haven't provided robust evidence of the details of this trip and why its a problem.

I wasn't talking to you on this point, unless you have two accounts?

OneGladPinkTraybake · 07/01/2026 21:44

SharonEllis · 07/01/2026 21:05

Yes, I have been on a government funded travel. Its not unusual. What were the circumstances of her trip - please link a reputable source about the details.

I asked if you'd been on a FOREIGN government sponsored trip.

I've been on trips that were sponsored by my own government. Never by a foreign government though, and definitely not a foreign government that I write a lot of articles about.

SharonEllis · 07/01/2026 21:40

DaisyDenise · 07/01/2026 21:36

Sure. I just think she should make it clear in her published pieces that she is identifying with Judaism or an ally rather than being Jewish.

Why? She has been very explicicit on numerous occasions about the nature of her heritage and identity. Why are you fixated on that and not the substance?

SharonEllis · 07/01/2026 21:37

Im personally far, far more concerned about the rise of antisemitism in Ireland than one person who has, by any measure made a useful contribution to the debate and exposed a lot of the nature of antisemitism along the way.

DaisyDenise · 07/01/2026 21:36

SharonEllis · 07/01/2026 21:24

How do you know she didn't? Anyway, she's converting I believe and despite what some weirdo on twitter says she does have some paternal Irish heritage so she has every right to identify with Judaism if that is meaningful to her.

Sure. I just think she should make it clear in her published pieces that she is identifying with Judaism or an ally rather than being Jewish.

DaisyDenise · 07/01/2026 21:32

DontCallMeLenYouLittleBollix · 07/01/2026 21:23

I haven't seen the article, so my point is only about the headline quote you cited. As a general rule, if you want to argue someone has lied about something important, do your due diligence.

Says the person who hasn’t read the article!!

From another piece, the Sunday Independent, the text not the headline —

“On the second night of Hanukkah, the Irish Jewish community gathered at Herzog Park to light the Hanukkah menorah and we were honoured to have Chaim’s granddaughter, Dr Alexandra Herzog, with us for the ceremony…
Speaking to Alexandra, I told her something I have had to say to myself many times over the past two years: “You’re Irish, too.” Irish history and identity belongs to us just as much as it belongs to the councillors who sought to erase Irish-Jewish memory.”

I don’t know. It’s odd to me anyway.
It seems a misrepresentation. Most of her readers (and publishers!) seem to think she’s Jewish. Whoever wrote that headline clearly did.

SharonEllis · 07/01/2026 21:24

DaisyDenise · 07/01/2026 21:20

Okay, it’s not just the headline though. It’s throughout. And she could have objected to the misrepresentation I guess?

How do you know she didn't? Anyway, she's converting I believe and despite what some weirdo on twitter says she does have some paternal Irish heritage so she has every right to identify with Judaism if that is meaningful to her.

DontCallMeLenYouLittleBollix · 07/01/2026 21:23

I haven't seen the article, so my point is only about the headline quote you cited. As a general rule, if you want to argue someone has lied about something important, do your due diligence.

DaisyDenise · 07/01/2026 21:20

DontCallMeLenYouLittleBollix · 07/01/2026 21:16

If you go back and read the articles again it seems very strange, very discordant…’Listen to Jewish people when we tell you we are being betrayed’ (the Sunday Independent’s headline at the end Dec).

I was today years old when I learned about Rachel Moiselle, and have no idea whether she's claimed to be Jewish elsewhere or not, but she probably didn't write the headline. That's not how newspapers work.

Okay, it’s not just the headline though. It’s throughout. And she could have objected to the misrepresentation I guess?

SharonEllis · 07/01/2026 21:19

DontCallMeLenYouLittleBollix · 07/01/2026 21:16

If you go back and read the articles again it seems very strange, very discordant…’Listen to Jewish people when we tell you we are being betrayed’ (the Sunday Independent’s headline at the end Dec).

I was today years old when I learned about Rachel Moiselle, and have no idea whether she's claimed to be Jewish elsewhere or not, but she probably didn't write the headline. That's not how newspapers work.

She 100% did not write the headline. Even very well established journalists don't write their headlines.

The obsessive desire to find fault with this young woman is very peculiar. I know a lot of people, Jewish and not Jewish who know her and I have never heard a bad word about her. She is admired and respected in my experience, even when people don't agree with her.

DontCallMeLenYouLittleBollix · 07/01/2026 21:16

If you go back and read the articles again it seems very strange, very discordant…’Listen to Jewish people when we tell you we are being betrayed’ (the Sunday Independent’s headline at the end Dec).

I was today years old when I learned about Rachel Moiselle, and have no idea whether she's claimed to be Jewish elsewhere or not, but she probably didn't write the headline. That's not how newspapers work.

SharonEllis · 07/01/2026 21:11

OneGladPinkTraybake · 07/01/2026 20:51

What? I don't follow. What have I said that's not true?

You said she is a Catholic. She has not been a catholic for a decade. You said her motivations are 'very, very murky' without explanation which is certainly an insinuation and you haven't provided robust evidence of the details of this trip and why its a problem.

SharonEllis · 07/01/2026 21:05

OneGladPinkTraybake · 07/01/2026 20:13

Do you have foreign governments funding trips for you? Really?

Yes, I have been on a government funded travel. Its not unusual. What were the circumstances of her trip - please link a reputable source about the details.

OpheliaIsntMad · 07/01/2026 20:52

DeanElderberry · 07/01/2026 20:44

The two very unpleasant items of graffiti in Louth were a thing that had not happened before. No one knows who painted them or why. I hope they are identified and prosecuted. But one isolated loon (or a few of them) writing random hateful comments on a rural road is not actually all that horrific.

Inappropriate yes.

I wouldn’t say “Swastika symbols and words including “Jew” and “rat” “ were simply “inappropriate” …

I do think it’s horrific that this sort of abuse is being seen again in Europe.

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OneGladPinkTraybake · 07/01/2026 20:51

OpheliaIsntMad · 07/01/2026 20:47

Well - maybe weird is a poor choice of word - but the claims and insinuations you have made about her seem unfair in the light of the increase in antisemitic abuse..

What? I don't follow. What have I said that's not true?

OpheliaIsntMad · 07/01/2026 20:48

OneGladPinkTraybake · 07/01/2026 20:46

I hope they get prosecuted too. I think all acts of racism need to be swiftly and very aggressively dealt with.

Too many people who kept their racist crap to themselves in the past have now been emboldened by Trump.

Agreed

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OpheliaIsntMad · 07/01/2026 20:47

OneGladPinkTraybake · 07/01/2026 20:41

The message is extremely important, I agree.

What I'm disagreeing with is you portraying people with extremely valid concerns about Rachel as "weird".

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Well - maybe weird is a poor choice of word - but the claims and insinuations you have made about her seem unfair in the light of the increase in antisemitic abuse..

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OneGladPinkTraybake · 07/01/2026 20:46

DeanElderberry · 07/01/2026 20:44

The two very unpleasant items of graffiti in Louth were a thing that had not happened before. No one knows who painted them or why. I hope they are identified and prosecuted. But one isolated loon (or a few of them) writing random hateful comments on a rural road is not actually all that horrific.

Inappropriate yes.

I hope they get prosecuted too. I think all acts of racism need to be swiftly and very aggressively dealt with.

Too many people who kept their racist crap to themselves in the past have now been emboldened by Trump.

DaisyDenise · 07/01/2026 20:45

SharonEllis · 07/01/2026 19:53

What is your problem with either of those things? In what sense does she speak 'for Jewish people'?

I don’t know about her social media, but she has very clearly portrayed herself as a member of the Jewish community, rather than as an ally, when writing her newspaper articles.

If you go back and read the articles again it seems very strange, very discordant…’Listen to Jewish people when we tell you we are being betrayed’ (the Sunday Independent’s headline at the end Dec).

I don’t understand why she’s done this. It’s misleading and there was no need for it. Okay, it’s the message that is important but it’s just really odd.

DeanElderberry · 07/01/2026 20:44

The two very unpleasant items of graffiti in Louth were a thing that had not happened before. No one knows who painted them or why. I hope they are identified and prosecuted. But one isolated loon (or a few of them) writing random hateful comments on a rural road is not actually all that horrific.

Inappropriate yes.

OneGladPinkTraybake · 07/01/2026 20:41

OpheliaIsntMad · 07/01/2026 20:34

Well - I think it’s better to address the message rather than shoot the messenger .
i don’t think Rachel Moselle is the important story here.
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2025/03/14/ireland-is-not-anti-semitic-but-its-not-a-good-time-to-be-jewish-in-this-country/

The message is extremely important, I agree.

What I'm disagreeing with is you portraying people with extremely valid concerns about Rachel as "weird".

OpheliaIsntMad · 07/01/2026 20:34

Well - I think it’s better to address the message rather than shoot the messenger .
i don’t think Rachel Moselle is the important story here.
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2025/03/14/ireland-is-not-anti-semitic-but-its-not-a-good-time-to-be-jewish-in-this-country/

In an act of performative outrage of its own, the Israeli government turned the tables on us, by closing the embassy here. Photograph: Cillian Sherlock/PA

Gerard Howlin: Ireland is not anti-Semitic but it’s no wonder Jewish people here feel uncomfortable

There is no space left here for either a broader perspective or nuance. There is an increasingly automatic overlapping of Jewish people with Israel

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2025/03/14/ireland-is-not-anti-semitic-but-its-not-a-good-time-to-be-jewish-in-this-country/

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OneGladPinkTraybake · 07/01/2026 20:23

OpheliaIsntMad · 07/01/2026 20:12

It’s weird how so many posters want to discredit an Irish citizen who is bringing attention to the increase in Irish antisemitism ….. whilst ignoring the horrific news report of antisemitism in Co Louth …
to discredit an Irish citizen who is trying to bring attention to the increase in Irish antisemitism.

What's actually weird is the claims that Rachel makes up about Ireland on a regular basis.

https://x.com/A_New_Ireland/status/2008620713528217613
https://x.com/One_Advaita/status/1994772582587846877
https://x.com/dlLambo/status/2006894212122554746?s=20
https://www.independent.ie/opinion/letters/letters-scrutiny-of-horror-in-gaza-and-empathy-for-its-people-is-political-not-antisemitic/a492964835.html

Time for Irish Unity (@A_New_Ireland) on X

This never happened. Irish people never came out in celebration at the horrors committed on October 7th.

https://x.com/A_New_Ireland/status/2008620713528217613

OneGladPinkTraybake · 07/01/2026 20:13

SharonEllis · 07/01/2026 20:11

Governments fund travel all the time. What were the circumstances of this trip? What was 'murky' about it?

Do you have foreign governments funding trips for you? Really?

OpheliaIsntMad · 07/01/2026 20:12

It’s weird how so many posters want to discredit an Irish citizen who is bringing attention to the increase in Irish antisemitism ….. whilst ignoring the horrific news report of antisemitism in Co Louth …
to discredit an Irish citizen who is trying to bring attention to the increase in Irish antisemitism.

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