Is the renaming of Dublin’s Herzog Park antisemitic?

I'd like to take the opportunity again to say how vehemently and vocally I am against antisemitism in real life.

I would imagine there are some people here who think I'm not and it's colouring how they respond to me.

It's probably been lost in the rush of posts here, but I have actually been to Israel and I have close Israeli friends. I am pro-jewish but anti-genocide and also anti lying about the Irish people.

Thank you . Really interesting articles but disturbing.
I found the last article particularly interesting . I was horrified by the evidence that students and staff at the university did celebrate October 7th
“This sentiment was echoed by the President of the Student’s Union who wrote on X on 7/10: ‘Palestinians have a right to resist the brutal conditions imposed on them by the apartheid regime of Israel’. A fellow Trinity PhD student stated on X that it should be ‘celebrated and supported’, that ‘it is beautiful.’
This hatred amongst the student body has been acutely felt by many Jewish students.
TCD’s Chanukah event after 7/10 was described as an uncomfortable and unpleasant experience that Trinity refused to publicly promote, citing safety concerns. In February, an extremist figure was allowed to give a lecture in Trinity. Jewish students were sent the following: ‘College security are aware of the potential for trouble, but the event will be going ahead. Perhaps you should let Jewish students and staff know that it might be best for them to avoid the Art building between 6.00pm and 10.00pm’.
The hostility towards Jews at Trinity has been advertised to the world with the recent four-day encampment that contained explicitly antisemitic and pro-terrorist banners. In one notable example, there was a Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) flag flown from the window of Trinity and two PFLP banners hung outside and inside the grounds. The PFLP is, of course, a proscribed terrorist organisation by the EU. Trinity’s response to these concerns? ‘We respect the strong stance expressed by those participating in the encampment’.
Trinity leadership claimed in their public statement on the encampment on the 6th of May: ‘We also continue to engage with our Jewish staff and students who are impacted’. Jewish students received no communication from Trinity leadership.

I've read the articles you posted. I think they are spot on actually. Im not getting entangled in posts with you because i don't agree with you, its as simple as that. @OpheliaIsntMad the bottom line is jews are fair game for boycotting and cancelling. However, the antisemitism hides behind hate and disgust for Israel. Fortunately, this bad idea has been put to bed, until the next bout to make Jews feel even more victimised.

What? Can you please stop moving the goalposts? You asked me what my "beef" was with Rachel and I said that I have already explained it in great detail. Now you're taking a tangent off to something else.

I can give you my opinion about "feminist hypocrisy" if you like but please acknowledge that I have already spent a lot of time very carefully explaining my opinions on Rachel. And also I'm not rehashing it again just for your benefit because you won't go back and read it.

So you don't agree with her regarding feminist hypocrisy. The rest of the stuff you've posted is just articles going against your stance. Jewish people know how they are being made to feel and by whom.

But you're literally asking to explain for you alone what I have already explained!

No, I'm also disagreeing with you on your Gaza stance. You can write as many lengthy posts as you want, it doesn't make you right.

I’d also like to point out there are substantial differences between the Jewish and Muslim communities in Ireland.
The Jewish community in Ireland is much smaller but also much older and more well established. They often can speak Irish, have an Irish accent (obviously) and are comfortable with Irish culture. The reason they are experiencing higher levels of abuse is to do with the war in Gaza - a situation they are not responsible for and have no control over.

The abuse received by the more newly arrived and immigrant communities is also terrible- but it comes from a different cause -there are some genuine concerns about housing/ welfare/ crime but these are being exploited and amplified by racists .

Any Form of racial abuse is abhorrent and I’m not saying one type is worse . I am saying that the Jewish community is not newly arrived in Ireland… but the level of abuse they are facing IS new .

Ah stop now. You're asking me to rewrite lengthy posts that I've already written, just for your benefit? Please just take the time and make the effort to read what I've written. It's not fair or sensible to ask me to restate my position that I spent a lot of time writing the first time around.

@OneGladPinkTraybake what is your beef with Rachel, other than she thinks differently to you?

The word 'genocide' was being used immediately post 7 October by a very close Irish friend of DD who she studied alongside at TCD some years ago. Said (now ex) friend is an established successful writer and wrote to DD using the word, although she later apologised. I a sure said friend was far from unique in drinking the Hamas PR Koolaid. 'Genocide' has been bandied about ever since. And don't @ me about the UN etc. They are far from unbiased.

There are always civilian casualties in a war, especially when there is nowhere for them to go to avoid the bombs. Hamas used the millions of $$$ meant for Palestinians, to build the copious tunnels, buy rockets and armaments and feather their own nests away from Gaza instead of protecting the people they were elected to represent.

Wait, are you saying that you don't believe there is a genocide happening?

She said she wouldn't be surprised if there were certain people celebrating. Neither would I. No evidence needed for gut feeling, developed by some posts on MN. I'm notvreferring to your posts BTW. I've read other threads where minimising 7th October could be interpreted as acceptance of its atrocity.

The fact that (people in Ireland/ you) aren’t interested in the increase in antisemitism doesn’t mean it should be ignored and denied.
The fact that Muslims are also coming under attack doesn’t make the situation better…
The fact that there is increasing evidence of hate attacks on Muslims should also be addressed.

“HOWEVER... Rachel peddles lies. She's on the level of Gript. But she's gotten into this position of prominence, in no small part due to being supported by Israeli media. The same Israeli media who also regularly peddle horrendous lies. That's what I have an issue with.”

She “peddles lies” because she is “supported by Israeli media” ..? You have provided no evidence to support this claim . Your objection to Rachel appears to be rooted in your antipathy to anyone with a supposed connection to Israel. You haven’t provided any evidence that she is lying about antisemitism in Ireland but you still want to discredit her simply because of a supposed connection to Israel.

“There is a genocide occuring in Gaza. There is also a propaganda war occurring to obfuscate that AND discredit people who stand against it. “

And there we have it … you are conflating Moiselle’s attempts to combat antisemitism in Ireland with a “propaganda war” to obfuscate the truth about Gaza. Moiselle’s focus is Irish antisemitism- NOT Gaza - but you are trying to discredit her anyway.

.As I previously posted, she has outright lied in her content, such as claiming that Irish people were out celebrating in the street on Oct 7th.
Anti-Semitism is wrong and unacceptable. I will not stand for it. But I also cannot stand for someone with a platform pushing outright lies about Ireland and the Irish people.”

Where I live in London people were out celebrating October 7th. I don’t find it impossible to believe that this also happened in Ireland bearing in mind some of the graffiti/ incidents that have since been reported. I would like you to provide evidence of any “outright lies about Ireland and the Irish people”

Jewish people have faced incidents in Ireland from a certain section of society, on a whole the Jewish community are respected and treated as neighbours like everyone else.
There are thugs who like to hurt minorities. They are not the majority.

He acknowledged that “anti-Semitism is not the experience of every Jewish person in Ireland ” and added that “incidents to date have been non-physical, and we are happy about that”.
“But the effects are very real,” he said. “particularly following attacks [on Jewish people] in New York, the killing of two Jewish people at a synagogue in Manchester last October, and now Sydney. Maybe it will not stay like that and no one can guarantee things will not turn violent here too”.

But she's gotten into this position of prominence, in no small part due to being supported by Israeli media.
How exactly does 'Israeli media' (independent, and much of it critical of the Netanyahu government) help Rachel get an article published in the Irish Times? @OneGladPinkTraybake

Ok. You like hard evidence a lot. Let's have some hard evidence of those people celebrating.

Come on now. Hold yourself to the same standard that you are demanding of others.