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Not able to eat at school? Punitive systems

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RainbowDaffodil · 28/11/2025 21:51

My son has started at a new secondary school. Firstly, I have no issue with detentions and I welcome interventions… but surely all lunchtime is madness?

He was late for example yesterday (bus, traffic -perfect storm. He’s usually very early), punctuality detention is lunchtime 1.25 to 2.05. Lunchtime is 1.25 to 2.15 but the canteen isn’t functioning for the last five min of lunch, which is when he’d get there.

The intervention he’s given in two subjects is the same time two lunchtimes a week. 1.25 to 2.05. I got him to say to the teachers he wanted to go, but he needs to eat. They shrugged and said he’s down for interventions and has to go. No solution or dialogue.

The school day is full, 8.15-3.15. 15 min break at 11:20. Some days they also have expectations for after school work too.

Is this in anyway remotely normal nowadays? My son is a robust kinda kid, friends and confident, but he’s starting to look run down. I get this as I’d be run down! He used to eat me out of house and home but lately he’s going 8-4 without food a few days a week, even with a packed lunch it’s been eaten after school. It’s partly getting time and partly the access to toilets not been there, they seem to manage it restricting drink and food.

He works hard, likes teachers but from my view it’s a punitive system of constant directed time, little access to food or toilets and a behaviour point system where getting one positive point in six weeks is a feat but sitting on a pen and snapping it can land you in detention for not being properly equipped (silly mistake, put his biro in a pocket and sat down). Another behaviour point was for being slow with work-I helped him to understand it at home, he was just stuck and didn’t get a new concept. No negative points are for rudeness/ disruption or any active actions but it’s so easy to get them it feels.

Communication is on the app and all one way. Recently I noticed he had some unauthorised absences so I emailed to ask if he was truanting or it was an error. No reply, but they disappeared on the app. I contacted them too at the start, he wasn’t given an IT account when he started and all the homework is online. He asked lots of times and I emailed but it was weeks of detentions for not doing homework while he couldn’t access the system.

It feels nuts!

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Happyjoe · 28/11/2025 22:29

Academies are not good schools at the moment, if this is an academy I'd not be shocked. Hear so many stories like this coming out of our local one and it's all about punishment. It seems to be destroying kids too, ones that have been absolutely thriving at primary, good, hard working happy kids and then left with a hatred of education and do not do as well as they should've.

Your son must be allowed to eat. I would be complaining first thing tomorrow if it were me.

Edit- apart from tomorrow is Sat! Monday, I'd complain Monday :-)

ProudCat · 28/11/2025 22:22

Secondary teacher here. No, that's batshit crazy.

First offence, need get a lighter detention but still time to eat.

Interventions shouldn't replace lunch, kids need time to decompress and socialise or else they'll burn out - which your kid seems to be at risk of.

What you've described is verging on inhuman and not the way any school I've ever worked in operates - not onky because the unions would go crazy about the lack of lunch break for staff while doing intervention as teachers don't get paid for lunch break .

I think you need to talk through your concerns with the head of year and work out a sustainable strategy.

Aluna · 28/11/2025 22:20

And people wonder why parents choose private schools.

Smugzebra · 28/11/2025 22:07

That sounds ridiculous.
Our school detentions are always at the end of the school day.
I don't think even in the days where kids got the cane they made them go without lunch? How do they expect them to learn properly on an empty stomach?

Octavia64 · 28/11/2025 22:05

Ok.

so, one at a time. Yes, lunchtime detentions are normal. Yes, many secondaries have canteens that are overwhelmed and busy. You need to send in food. Quick snack but filling for the break and something quick and easy to eat at lunchtime.

i worked as a secondary teacher for many years and a lot of secondaries really just don’t have enough canteen space or time for the school. I used to take in a vegan sausage roll for “break” which was 11:30-11:40 and then eat a salad at lunch (1:20-2pm).

you do get used to it although it’s long gaps between food. Lots of kids (and teachers for that matter) just don’t eat and have a big meal after school.

interventions - why is a year 7 on these? In my school these are for year 11’s who can’t or won’t do homework. If he’s behind academically it would be more normal to drop a language and do extra maths and English.

homework - if it is on an online system then most schools will do a computer session where they give students passwords etc and step them through the process. If they have problems it is on the student to go to IT either at break lunch or afterschool and get it sorted. At my school kids with Sen would have it set up so a teacher could access and help them but all others were expected to handle it themselves. Does your child have Sen?

Bigearringsbigsmile · 28/11/2025 22:05

I would withdraw him it sounds completely batshit

smallglassbottle · 28/11/2025 22:02

Ridiculous. Even prisoners get fed and are allowed to go to the toilet.

Ablondiebutagoody · 28/11/2025 21:59

Packed lunch?

madnessitellyou · 28/11/2025 21:59

This sounds completely wrong (I work at an academy; they don’t all do crazy things).

I’d be contacting school and asking them about this. I run a lunchtime intervention and they go grab lunch first!

InOverMyHead84 · 28/11/2025 21:58

That's not right. First priority of any school is safety and welfare, not allowing time to eat properly is against those principles.

IfIHadAHeart · 28/11/2025 21:57

Could he take a packed lunch?

ThatJollyGreySquid · 28/11/2025 21:55

It sounds awful-not like any school I’ve ever taught in. Is it an academy?