to be fed up of hearing 'I've worked hard for my money'

So tired of people whining about what other people have. What a jealous, bitterly obsessed backbiting society UK has been deliberately moulded into by the politicians and billionaires in charge.

The only thing you can control is yourself. First thing is to stop obsessively watching other people's lives to the point where you post bitter threads about total strangers.

Next step is to enjoy your own life right now, this minute, as you could drop dead right now, this minute.

There are loads of resources out there to help you stop making yourself agitated about things you cannot control and never will be able to control.

Venting is actually bad for your mental health, and going on and on and on about what other people think, do or have will make you feel far worse, not better.

No, this comment does not count (at all) as venting as I will immediately move on and have forgotten about this very quickly, certainly will not obsess about it or worry about this thread, or discuss it any further unless someone replies.

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Over simplified

you have forgotten the social inequalities which are massive

wake up!

The latest figures I can find are from 2021.

“For example, in 2021, a UK household earning less than £17,760..”

If your whole household has an income of less than £17,760 you’re very likely in poverty.

Also, do we really need to distinguish between relative and absolute poverty? This isn’t a 3rd world country, surely we’d just prefer that we tackled… poverty.

Omg we live in a structurally oppressive society for people of colour

take a look at how dark the skin is of the people doing the menial jobs in your local supermarket or delivering your food….its not often very white

gosh if only they just worked harder. How blo*dy offensive and sick of hearing that they must be as am I

getting up at 3-4am and working 2-3 jobs is hard work - wow they should all be on the way to being CEOs

i don’t think so…

A free market does reward profit yes. And implicitly skill. Because if something was low skilled it wouldn't be massively profitable as everyone could do it. Nurses get paid decently. £31k is plenty for a starting salary. I know some grads who just about make do on £28k in London.

And since we talk skill there's a reason doctors make more money than nurses. They are more skilled.

I know not everything should be privatised as I'm a realist. I'm a believer in a market economy with government regulation when things run amock.

Agree op

dorn forget they have made sacrifices too 🙄

Would you be happier knowing some people didn't work hard to be well off? Money comes to money like a magnet for some people

It would never be through the sheer power of hard work

re read your post

You sound very entitled

cant believe the comment about nurses and teachers!

Another good point. Relative poverty (as we measure it here) does blurr the lines in my opinion.

No @newbluesofa I'd have to disagree on that one. Systems are not designed to keep people poor. Systems are designed to filter for talent, like football. The really good ones become stars. Those of us who have no talent for sport or beauty just have to work our butts off, doing learning, degrees and honestly just getting up to work every single morning. Every single day. Rinse and repeat, until you can afford the house you want and the holidays.

The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary.

I do think we need to find a new adjective away from ‘poor’. People are not routinely poor anymore. Yes they might be disenfranchised by their education or lack of it and yes they might be the subject of chaotic and less than ideal home lives. Their communities or surroundings might be in an area of deprivation because of low employment or high crime but to keep banding around the word ‘poor’ is trying to elicit the kind of Victorian era sympathy one might extend to Tiny Tim.
Let’s be more language specific.

I agree with the sentiment, but there's plenty of lazy people in Africa I assure you.

This, in spades

I dispute that there is anyone in these jobs not putting in hard work. They are bloody hard jobs even if you are not going above and beyond and chasing promotion etc.

Nursing and teaching are not easy idle jobs, but they are also not exposed to any risk. Your employer is the NHS or the local education authority, so you are going to be paid whatever happens. Small businesses can fail, and might fail very suddenly -- when a big customer doesn't get paid what's owed to them.

“If wealth was the inevitable result of hard work and enterprise, every woman in Africa would be a millionaire.” – George Monbiot

Look up compassion fatigue. Many of us don’t have any fucks left to give.

But they are paying more! It isn't immoral to think it doesn't need to be vastly, infinitely more.
By all means volunteer more of your own money to the tax man if you think it's so important.

I know plenty of teachers, carers and nurses who do not, at all, work hard for their money. & whilst most people believe these professions are underpaid their salaries are a dream for other people. So where does it end?

I suspect you've nailed it. I quite often say, to justify my good fortune, that I was clever and well educated, and that DH was a clever dyslexic who learned a trade and saw a niche. I earned a lot from the minute I went freelance because I was the go to person in my field. What I earned then, paid our overheads for six or seven years, maybe plus a bit and some for extras but it gave DH space and income to build an enterprise without any family support. So when I had our only child at 43, I worked about 50% of capacity, with a nanny, which actually turned out to be insufficient to compensate for my age. So my career cratered just before 50.

But happily, DH's little bespoke engineering enterprise that he had time to build and develop is still going, and still looking after five families. Nobody is earning huge spondulicks; we take about 35% more than our lowest paid person. But EVERYBODY who works with/for us is paid properly (there's nobody earning NMW) and everyone shares a part of the profit in the good times.

When the work stops, WE (just us) stop taking anything out of the business so everyone else gets paid. Not rich, and probably not even very successful if measured against lawyers and doctors or merchant bankers in wealth terms, but a very gentle version of success that we can justify that has made us modestly prosperous. I can live with this which is close to my version of success. I don't aspire to great wealth, but I want to eat well and have nice clothes. Holidays are a bit of a bust because DH's cardiology meds keep him out of the sun. Scotland here we come!

I don't know any specifics on your brothers and frankly now the economy isn't in a good place. I don't know your brother's, and nothing is easy or guaranteed, but apprenticeships might be a good opportunity? I changed careers midlife, it was hard and demoralising but I just kept going and it's worked out.

My career stalled after kids too, I can only talk for myself but this was down to my choices. I wasn't able to put in what I could before. I'm now finding the workplace far friendlier and understanding to parents. I work with lots of talented Mums who are on great trajectories.

If you're at the bottom and need temporary support I totally understand because of a really horrible life situation that you need government support I understand. But after that, okay you have money from the government to live off. Come up with a plan and a goal to get yourself into a better financial position. Get a job, work at that. Make a plan to get better skilled and try and find a better one.

I totally understand that for the disabled it's a totally different situation. But for those who aren't. Maybe if you're at the bottom why not try and come to the top instead of bringing others down.