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to be fed up of hearing 'I've worked hard for my money'

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newbluesofa · 28/11/2025 15:41

Lots of chat on MN recently about taxes on high earners. So heard lots of 'we have this money because we work bloody hard for it' and honestly I'm sick of it and think the people who say it are selfish.

Nurses work incredibly hard, long shifts, difficult job. Carers provide absolutely essential service, again shift work, difficult hours, difficult job. Teachers provide essential work, I know multiple teachers and they all devote evenings, weekends, school holidays to the detriment of their own families. All of these jobs also have huge emotional tolls. So 'I've worked hard for my money' means nothing to me, because a lot of people work a lot harder for a lot less.

OP posts:
Happilyobtuse · 28/11/2025 21:48

UserFront242 · 28/11/2025 21:21

My experience of consultant psychiatrist have been them sitting behind the comfort of a desk with at least 5 other MH staff around them.

I edit my statement to say that most people on £100k are not at threat of violence in their jobs.

Well when my friend got chased with a knife the first time she was a registrar and was 7 months pregnant. She very nearly lost her own child due to the attack. Don’t belittle the work other people do based on your experience! It is really in poor taste!

Starconundrum · 28/11/2025 21:47

Medexpert · 28/11/2025 21:45

But you can afford a tax increase of less than 1% to safe guard our economy and the vulnerable in society I'm sure
If this was the answer, these posts wouldn't exist. However, that's not what happens. The richer pay more in tax, and the number of people clarified vulnerable increases at an alarming rate every year whilst he economy moves in the other direction as quickly. The NHS, education, social care get closer to collapsing...

Role out a few years later and the solution...why can't the rich just pay 1% more...

Tell me when this has happened.

Starconundrum · 28/11/2025 21:46

Medexpert · 28/11/2025 21:35

Who has actually taken the fall for any disasters recently? Let alone a salary decrease
There will be many higher paid managers who will have taken most of the shit. The very high ones...well they do lose all credibility with the public, will not be able to go out without being shouted out or worse spit at. There are blamed for everything...yet in all likelihood, a lot of the errors will have been caused by lower paid people who will just keep going with their job or just get another one.

Policy and management are the problem.

Force people into work when they are not qualified, work then to the bone for less than they need to live a stable life, and more mistakes will be made. That is not the fault of the person who has no say in policy or management. It's batshit to blame a minimum wage employee for a major fault in the system!

People aren't your slaves!

Medexpert · 28/11/2025 21:45

But you can afford a tax increase of less than 1% to safe guard our economy and the vulnerable in society I'm sure
If this was the answer, these posts wouldn't exist. However, that's not what happens. The richer pay more in tax, and the number of people clarified vulnerable increases at an alarming rate every year whilst he economy moves in the other direction as quickly. The NHS, education, social care get closer to collapsing...

Role out a few years later and the solution...why can't the rich just pay 1% more...

UserFront242 · 28/11/2025 21:41

HRTQueen · 28/11/2025 21:37

they will be consultant psychiatrists with a lot of responsibilities on their shoulders

they work as a team other staff have responsibility too and will also be vulnerable to attacks but ultimately the consultant psychiatrist will have the most responsibility

Yes, but those doctors are not on the "shop floor" as it were. The low paid HCAs are, and are at a more real threat of violence then the consultant who wafts onto the ward a few times a week for ward rounds in the comfort of an office surrounded by several other staff.

Starconundrum · 28/11/2025 21:40

forestdance · 28/11/2025 21:34

Well frankly OP, I am sick to death of being told I dont deserve the salary I have.

My job is niche and I studied for years and years to be able to do it. Carers are most certainly wonderful people and deserve better pay but they did not study for over 10 years to be able to do their job as someone like me has. I am not saying this makes me a better person btw, I am saying this is why I deserve the pay I get.

Its not just about working hard, its about the time and investment you have put in to learn the skills of what you do and if you charge more its because you are charging for that time and investment which enables you to do the job that few other people can. Is that really so difficult to grasp?

Wang on about it all you like but I know exactly what I am worth and I refuse to feel guilty about it.

Well done! And thankyou!
I think you probably deserve it.

But you can afford a tax increase of less than 1% to safe guard our economy and the vulnerable in society I'm sure.

HRTQueen · 28/11/2025 21:37

UserFront242 · 28/11/2025 21:21

My experience of consultant psychiatrist have been them sitting behind the comfort of a desk with at least 5 other MH staff around them.

I edit my statement to say that most people on £100k are not at threat of violence in their jobs.

they will be consultant psychiatrists with a lot of responsibilities on their shoulders

they work as a team other staff have responsibility too and will also be vulnerable to attacks but ultimately the consultant psychiatrist will have the most responsibility

Medexpert · 28/11/2025 21:35

Who has actually taken the fall for any disasters recently? Let alone a salary decrease
There will be many higher paid managers who will have taken most of the shit. The very high ones...well they do lose all credibility with the public, will not be able to go out without being shouted out or worse spit at. There are blamed for everything...yet in all likelihood, a lot of the errors will have been caused by lower paid people who will just keep going with their job or just get another one.

forestdance · 28/11/2025 21:34

Well frankly OP, I am sick to death of being told I dont deserve the salary I have.

My job is niche and I studied for years and years to be able to do it. Carers are most certainly wonderful people and deserve better pay but they did not study for over 10 years to be able to do their job as someone like me has. I am not saying this makes me a better person btw, I am saying this is why I deserve the pay I get.

Its not just about working hard, its about the time and investment you have put in to learn the skills of what you do and if you charge more its because you are charging for that time and investment which enables you to do the job that few other people can. Is that really so difficult to grasp?

Wang on about it all you like but I know exactly what I am worth and I refuse to feel guilty about it.

HereAreYourOptions · 28/11/2025 21:32

PrawnsForDinner · 28/11/2025 20:51

Is it a sin to have parents who did well and weren't in poverty?

Has anyone said that?

Starconundrum · 28/11/2025 21:32

Papyrophile · 28/11/2025 21:30

Very clearly, you work in the public sector not in the private.

Did you just get quietly brushed aside in your sector then?

Papyrophile · 28/11/2025 21:30

Starconundrum · 28/11/2025 21:27

Risk?!

Don't make me laugh.

Apparently with great wages come great responsibility.

Who has actually taken the fall for any disasters recently? Let alone a salary decrease.

The most that has happened is they've had their name in the papers and moved overseas

Ppe
Post office
Shit in sea
Grenfell
Windrush.
Social services.
And many many more

There is no accountability, so that does not justify high wages

Very clearly, you work in the public sector not in the private.

Starconundrum · 28/11/2025 21:29

CleverButScatty · 28/11/2025 21:28

I would say there are more people on lower salaries at risk of violence in their jobs han those over 100k.
Police, paramedics, fire service, carers for people with mental health difficulties, prison officers, behaviour school teachers ( in fact just teachers), a&e nurses... The list goes on!

Absolutely!

Anyone in any authority has evaded blame for failings for decades.

Happilyobtuse · 28/11/2025 21:28

UserFront242 · 28/11/2025 21:13

Sorry, forgive my ignorance on that one. I had no idea a psychiatrist could earn that much.

Psychiatrists are doctors so yes they are paid that much at consultant level. And she works in CAMHS. Honestly the stories I have heard, I don’t know how she does the job. The money is good but it messes with your mind and some of the kids are really ill.

CleverButScatty · 28/11/2025 21:28

Christmascarrotjumper · 28/11/2025 21:24

Are most people on under £100K under threat of violence?

I would say there are more people on lower salaries at risk of violence in their jobs han those over 100k.
Police, paramedics, fire service, carers for people with mental health difficulties, prison officers, behaviour school teachers ( in fact just teachers), a&e nurses... The list goes on!

UserFront242 · 28/11/2025 21:27

Christmascarrotjumper · 28/11/2025 21:24

Are most people on under £100K under threat of violence?

No, no but people in the low paid jobs like retail are.

Starconundrum · 28/11/2025 21:27

Risk?!

Don't make me laugh.

Apparently with great wages come great responsibility.

Who has actually taken the fall for any disasters recently? Let alone a salary decrease.

The most that has happened is they've had their name in the papers and moved overseas

Ppe
Post office
Shit in sea
Grenfell
Windrush.
Social services.
And many many more

There is no accountability, so that does not justify high wages

UserFront242 · 28/11/2025 21:26

Papyrophile · 28/11/2025 21:20

So, if your salary stops increasing, it's because you are NOT progressing. You may not want to do the hours or take the responsibility, but it's not the system. It's about YOU!

I saw some comments on a thread where someone who had only ever managed to be a cleaner in a hospital was absolutely berated for "not trying hard enough to progress". Some cunt of a poster was telling her that she was still just a cleaner because she had an attitude problem, and she should had been promoted to supervisor years before. The cleaner said she was bullied by her colleagues and manager, plus she was autistic and lacked the skills to be a supervisor. She still got shit. It was awful to see.
Besides that, there is not always a job to progress to anyway. If you clean offices and are the only cleaner there, where are you going to go?

Papyrophile · 28/11/2025 21:25

@AntiHop , true there's the risk of making a wrong professional judgement, as there is for everyone, but the employer paying their salary is not going bust without notice. That really happens in the private sector.

Christmascarrotjumper · 28/11/2025 21:24

UserFront242 · 28/11/2025 21:21

My experience of consultant psychiatrist have been them sitting behind the comfort of a desk with at least 5 other MH staff around them.

I edit my statement to say that most people on £100k are not at threat of violence in their jobs.

Are most people on under £100K under threat of violence?

MurdoMunro · 28/11/2025 21:23

DIL2025 · 28/11/2025 20:50

My husband is an additional rate tax payer the sacrifices he/we have made:

  • My career and my ability to return to the workplace in any capacity really (no tax free child cares really hinder this too)
  • A decade living abroad meant (whilst a great experience) our families missed the grandkids being born. We missed multiple weddings, my grandmas funeral, the birth of our nephews etc etc.
  • Evenings, weekends, family holidays, weddings. No time is sacred, my husband has had to work all these times and more.
  • Extensive work travel - he has missed all the nativity plays at school. We are fortunate he has never had to miss his children's birthday.
  • The time energy and stress of completing two additional degrees whilst raising a family
  • A tax bill over £80,000 pounds which works out about 48% of our total income. You are given a breakdown by the government, over £30,000 of this went on welfare and £10,000 to service the national debt!!!!

I think it's important to add we both went to state schools, I am a product of the welfare state and we will not inherit. We have dragged ourselves up by the bootstraps so to speak, the whole situation (tax mainly) can feel very frustrating and unfair at times. We live a very normal lifestyle but appreciate we don't worry about bills or putting food on the table.

Edited

I hear you @DIL2025 these are all
sacrifices for having to put the work first, some unfair, unreasonable, cruel even. But they are not limited to high earners. It’s that question that I am struggling for an answer to, when people get defensive and use that phrase ‘I sacrificed so much to get this’ I’m not understanding what they are that’s different for people on median incomes.

Medexpert · 28/11/2025 21:23

I'm just so sick of the attitude where everyone's just out for themselves
Thays sadly true, but if you think the richer should share even more of what they've acquired, what do you give back?

If you're a SAHM, would you offer your time to look after their child for free during the holidays whilst you have the time to look after your home?

I bet that wouldn't cross any SAHM claiming UC to do so....

So before moaning about how selfish the rich are not wanting to share their wealth, maybe start considering how you could share yours (ie. time) towards your community.

Happilyobtuse · 28/11/2025 21:22

Starconundrum · 28/11/2025 21:03

We should be looking up to those people to give us a helping hand. Which we are.

Well God helps those who help themselves! There is such a huge sense of entitlement here with regards to other people’s wealth and such poor work ethic. I have lived in the Middle East, Singapore, India and never seen this attitude there. There everyone wants to be better and works towards that by improving themselves, studying more, getting further qualifications etc. Here everyone is so jealous if they hear someone’s parents or family helped them. I find this very strange culturally as in Asia people help family, education is stressed upon and work ethic is phenomenal! Here the expectation is the government should provide so people can relax and not work, and grumble that other people are rich and generations do this!

newbluesofa · 28/11/2025 21:22

Doggielovecharlotte · 28/11/2025 21:19

Of course it’s the old divide and conquer

makes me laugh about everyone using a paper straw and thinking they are saving the environment

it’s the super rich and elites that could make the change to environment
and only them

  • yes they are laughing all the way to the bank on their private jets

laughable

I think that's a great comparison. Everyone 'doing their bit' for the environment when it's a drop in the ocean compared to the super wealthy. Same as thinking little tax adjustments to working people (even high earning working people!) will do anything compared to what a wealth tax on assets would do (assets that sit there stagnating the economy as the money used to purchase them is now out of circulation)

OP posts:
Doggielovecharlotte · 28/11/2025 21:22

Papyrophile · 28/11/2025 21:20

So, if your salary stops increasing, it's because you are NOT progressing. You may not want to do the hours or take the responsibility, but it's not the system. It's about YOU!

Not everyone has the opportunity for this economic mobility

there is massive social inequality of opportunity

you can’t work your way out of it