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To think Britain is getting more racist ?

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JifNtGif · 28/11/2025 15:29

Overt anti "foreigner" / anti non-white discussions appear to be normalised at times these days. I don't remember this in previous decades. Was it just under the surface ?

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ThePolarEspresso · 30/11/2025 13:14

MidnightMeltdown · 30/11/2025 12:57

Eastern European isn’t a race though. They are white Europeans the same as British people. I think there’s a difference between racism and dislike of foreigners. Racism can be directed at people who were born here.

They aren't the same as West Europeans they were brought up outside Christendom in recent years so are of a different culture and world vew, as Albanians are in part Muslim and the rest were brought up as communists in the USSR. Poland and Hungary are happy to have their people emigrate and will not take migrants in return so are hypocritical IMHO.

suburburban · 30/11/2025 13:09

ThePolarEspresso · 30/11/2025 12:46

People have weird definitions of racism.

Racism was alive in 2010 when I reported a father calling young virgin girls "white whores" School told me that you can't be racist to white people and seemed to not understand racism.

He was an absolute lunatic screaming and shouting at the daughter so loud on the phone, she was shaking and I heard everything, she was telling him the girls weren't white whores. Nasty insulting man, she can't have had a nice life with that evil nut job, I hope she didn't turn into someone like him.

Anyway with the news title 'London's demographic change is unprecedented in peacetime' in the Tory graph and using 'replacement' I give it a short while and 'ethnic cleansing' will be standard language.

Ferage isn't responsible for changes in discourse, that man won't stay in Reform and become PM either, he isn't a long term threat to Labour.

I don't know why people still think calling me names bothers me, it doesn't, it's calling children Paedophilia type terms that bothers me.

Think about what happened in the Balkans

yes it cuts both ways

i think we are tolerant but there is too much immigration nowadays and it is not needed

ThePolarEspresso · 30/11/2025 13:05

EleanorMc67 · 30/11/2025 02:02

Morgan McSweeney has lived, studied & worked in England since he was a teenager. So I should think he's fully entitled to have a job in government as a political advisor. Whatever you think of him, or his politics, he's an extremely capable & experienced man. Though, as his wife is a Labour MP here in Scotland (which is where she's from), & they also have a home here, that will probably aggravate you even more ...

Yes, you're correct that Ireland was once part of the United Kingdom, from 1801-1922, after the Act of Union came into effect. But it was essentially governed & controlled by Britain for many centuries before that - since its invasion in the late 1100s. So I did laugh at the irony of your questions: "How do you define foreign interference? What type of person is so up themselves that they believe they have the right to tell another nation how to live?" ... when Britain is defined by its historic legacy of having done just that - by invading, colonising & ruling over a quarter of the world's land mass & population???

You also say you don't understand how "someone from halfway across the world can rule the British?". Well, if you believe that one's country of birth determines nationality (& we count the seven Scottish PMs as British too), two "British" PMs were actually born & grew up in Ireland, & one was born & grew up in Canada ...

And, of course, the delightful Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson was born in America ...??!!! Though I'm not sure he did much in the way of "ruling" when he was PM ...

And yes, to come back to the OP's question, I do think that Britain is becoming more overtly racist, & that this has been lurking under the surface. I also think that this racism & bigotry is not restricted to non-whites/non-Christians, but is expanding worryingly to encompass any kind of "otherness" ...

From what I understand McSweeney will need all that family migrants money they made and exile to China, as the Americans, UK and Irish will not have him when a regime change occurs.

extra.ie/2024/10/15/news/morgan-mcsweeney-father

BurntBroccoli · 30/11/2025 13:03

TheNoonBell · 28/11/2025 15:46

Mass uncontrolled immigration and suppression of the native's discontent was always going to elicit a response.

It's everywhere and quite open now, people who I thought we apolitical are getting very fired up.

Fired up by GBeebies, Facebook and TwitterX?

FirmOliveReader · 30/11/2025 13:00

No, it's getting less and less racist all the time.

And less sexist, misogynistic, classist, albelist and every other 'ist' you can think of.

Having concerns about mass immigration which every government agrees is problematic isn't racist.

I think people have forgotten what racism is and now attribute many things to racism which are in fact, not racism.

MidnightMeltdown · 30/11/2025 12:57

Sartre · 29/11/2025 17:56

When I was younger it was Eastern Europeans. It was so bad, a Polish shop near my school blocked school kids from entering because they’d regularly dish out racist abuse. When my mum was young in the 70s/80s it was Asians, particularly Pakistanis. When my Gran was young in the 50s/60s it was black and Irish people.

It just isn’t anything new sadly and if you are an ethnic minority, you will know it never went away. It feels worse right now because, well, Farage but far right outliers like him have always existed. It was Nick Griffin in the 00s, Enoch Powell in the 70s.

Eastern European isn’t a race though. They are white Europeans the same as British people. I think there’s a difference between racism and dislike of foreigners. Racism can be directed at people who were born here.

MidnightMeltdown · 30/11/2025 12:51

More racist in comparison to what?

Definitely a lot less racist than the 70s and 80s (and probably any time before that).

ThePolarEspresso · 30/11/2025 12:46

snowlaser · 30/11/2025 12:27

Racism and xenophobia was on the decline from thr 1970s through to the early 2000s.

Then in 2004 ish mass immigration started and people hate it. They hate it! No one ever minded the odd person from overseas just as the odd Brit emigrated too. But once people arrive literally in their millions it changes the country in ways Brits didn't want.

You can blame Russian propaganda or Nigel Farage if you like but it misses the point. Immigration was a non issue, and racism on the decline in the UK, up to 2004.

Edited

People have weird definitions of racism.

Racism was alive in 2010 when I reported a father calling young virgin girls "white whores" School told me that you can't be racist to white people and seemed to not understand racism.

He was an absolute lunatic screaming and shouting at the daughter so loud on the phone, she was shaking and I heard everything, she was telling him the girls weren't white whores. Nasty insulting man, she can't have had a nice life with that evil nut job, I hope she didn't turn into someone like him.

Anyway with the news title 'London's demographic change is unprecedented in peacetime' in the Tory graph and using 'replacement' I give it a short while and 'ethnic cleansing' will be standard language.

Ferage isn't responsible for changes in discourse, that man won't stay in Reform and become PM either, he isn't a long term threat to Labour.

I don't know why people still think calling me names bothers me, it doesn't, it's calling children Paedophilia type terms that bothers me.

snowlaser · 30/11/2025 12:27

Racism and xenophobia was on the decline from thr 1970s through to the early 2000s.

Then in 2004 ish mass immigration started and people hate it. They hate it! No one ever minded the odd person from overseas just as the odd Brit emigrated too. But once people arrive literally in their millions it changes the country in ways Brits didn't want.

You can blame Russian propaganda or Nigel Farage if you like but it misses the point. Immigration was a non issue, and racism on the decline in the UK, up to 2004.

GentleOlive · 30/11/2025 12:19

Southernecho · 30/11/2025 11:26

Nope, you need to check your facts, Labour are in power, its ALL on them.... or do you believe Reeves that she inherited a terrible financial mess? or Lammy that prisons are a disgrace due to the Tories or that our defence capabilities are run down because of years of under investment?

No thought not.

700k Brits left the UK? no they didn't many would be EU citizens with right to remain, dual nationals, people moving to work over seas.

Plus the numbers leaving are in line with trends from 2016.

None of what you have said is facts. It’s just some opinions.

The immigration numbers are only marginally down because of some minor changes to made to system in 2023.

In any case, Labour will get pasted and out of power in too distant future. You can shout their virtues from the rooftops then. They will need some die hard supporters like you.

PrincessofWells · 30/11/2025 12:13

It's always been there but now it's more overt. People like Farage have normalised it by their thinly disguised racist anti immigration rhetoric. Just call it out whenever you see it or hear it. I have zero tolerance for it.

CurlewKate · 30/11/2025 12:10

So everything bad that’s happening is entirely due to the current Labour government. Everything good is entirely due to the previous Conservative government. Right. Got it.

Southernecho · 30/11/2025 11:26

GentleOlive · 30/11/2025 09:12

You might want to check your facts. Net immigration being down is nothing to do with Labour. It’s because The Tories put a sticking plaster on the broken system by stopping dependents of students coming in.

That being said, 900k people came last year. Thats right, nearly a million people coming in to a country where integration is already a mess. While we lost 700k Brits. No doubt we brought in low paid, low skilled people while losing high skilled high tax paying people.

What a success.

Nope, you need to check your facts, Labour are in power, its ALL on them.... or do you believe Reeves that she inherited a terrible financial mess? or Lammy that prisons are a disgrace due to the Tories or that our defence capabilities are run down because of years of under investment?

No thought not.

700k Brits left the UK? no they didn't many would be EU citizens with right to remain, dual nationals, people moving to work over seas.

Plus the numbers leaving are in line with trends from 2016.

thepariscrimefiles · 30/11/2025 09:48

ThePolarEspresso · 29/11/2025 17:58

https://x.com/RupertLowe10/status/1994819000065560824

With what Trump is doing too, I have some observations to make.

House prices are going to sky rocket in some areas due to flooding. Those that sell here at the peak (as house prices will crash here due to 20 million leaving) of the market and buy there at the bottom of their market will be the most wealthy. HTH.

Edited

Dan Wootton and Rupert Lowe! Your choice of sources reveal the sort of person that you are. They are both racists and you are quoting them admiringly.

GentleOlive · 30/11/2025 09:12

Southernecho · 30/11/2025 06:59

Mahmood has identified the problem and is doing something about it, deportations at record highs, as are raids on dodgy employers.

Unlike 14 years of the Tories, who used migration to massage the GDP figures.

Migration is at recent historic lows, 200k down from 1.2m under Sunak, thats down to Labour policies, if all that is bad is on them and nothing to do with the previous Govt, then all that is "good" is on them too & nothing to do with the last lot.

You might want to check your facts. Net immigration being down is nothing to do with Labour. It’s because The Tories put a sticking plaster on the broken system by stopping dependents of students coming in.

That being said, 900k people came last year. Thats right, nearly a million people coming in to a country where integration is already a mess. While we lost 700k Brits. No doubt we brought in low paid, low skilled people while losing high skilled high tax paying people.

What a success.

crackadawn · 30/11/2025 07:09

TheNoonBell · 28/11/2025 15:46

Mass uncontrolled immigration and suppression of the native's discontent was always going to elicit a response.

It's everywhere and quite open now, people who I thought we apolitical are getting very fired up.

Summarised my experience perfectly

Southernecho · 30/11/2025 06:59

GentleOlive · 29/11/2025 08:12

It is probably true that Britain is getting less tolerant not more racist, and white saviour syndrome and wokery is responsible for that. And that’s a consequence of decades of being told how racist the country is, however white should be ashamed of being white.

Then comes the absolute farce and abuse of the immigration system and rapid cultural change in the country and everyone gaslit and forced into thinking that forced marriages, cousin marriages, FGM, sexual assault on women is just a by product multiculturalism that is price worth paying. That inner city ghettos with mainly immigrant communities are Cultural hubs and not a symbol of failure. That expecting people to speak English as a pre requisite is cruel. That almost all asylum seekers are economic migrants. That the country does not need low skilled immigration, high skilled is good. That one million foreign born people on benefits is a scandal. That 18 million people coming in the last 25 years is simply madness. That immigration since that time has been bad for this country.

The numbers a problem. If they had been lower and people coming in high skilled only and able to integrate, immigration wouldn’t have been a problem.

Shabana Mahmood is right, that the levels and quality of immigration is responsible for rising intolerance. Shame she’s not going to do anything about it, despite all the soundbites.

Mahmood has identified the problem and is doing something about it, deportations at record highs, as are raids on dodgy employers.

Unlike 14 years of the Tories, who used migration to massage the GDP figures.

Migration is at recent historic lows, 200k down from 1.2m under Sunak, thats down to Labour policies, if all that is bad is on them and nothing to do with the previous Govt, then all that is "good" is on them too & nothing to do with the last lot.

abracadabra1980 · 30/11/2025 06:58

I think Britain has been a tolerant country until fairly recently, when wokeness went too far - for the older generation who still watch mainstream TV, they began to question why every advert had to have a non white family necessary to represent the product. Its generally African; never a Swedish, Australian, Canadian, American, Danish, Irish, Indonesian, Eastern European, Chinese family, etc.. so thats TV. Then there are the issues with open borders. People don't feel safe; with over 53,000 illegal immigrants - mainly men, who have 'disappeared' within our country of late, it has the net result of making the indigenous population feel threatened-especially those with daughters. The care sector, delivery driver and security sectors are hugely over represented by immigrants-presumably legal, many probably not. The influx of immigrants in the nail and beauty, barbering and hand car wash sectors has been glaringly obvious in the last ten years. I teach at a local further education establishment. None of the hairdressing or barbering people came through the official route so where are they 'learning' their trade? My students cant risk setting up a business anywhere these days as the 'foreigners' think nothing of just setting up next door. Money laundering is a big issue with the vast majority of them and local people where I live a) notice and b) are mightily fed up with it all. A couple of our local town centres are no go areas these days. Immigration has gone way too far when the indigenous population no longer feel safe or represented.

Southernecho · 30/11/2025 06:52

TheNoonBell · 28/11/2025 15:46

Mass uncontrolled immigration and suppression of the native's discontent was always going to elicit a response.

It's everywhere and quite open now, people who I thought we apolitical are getting very fired up.

It was always there, never went away but with the rise of the v right wing Reform and a Tory party that tried to copy them, going further sometimes, its legitimised racism.
We have never been a tolerant country, thats just a myth.

There was never suppression of discontent, UKIP/Brexit & Reform... at what point was discontent "Suppressed?"

Princessconsuelabananahammock9 · 30/11/2025 06:30

Mumsnet is primarily white. That’s why there is a separate section for black mums.

This is a fact.

EleanorMc67 · 30/11/2025 02:02

ThePolarEspresso · 28/11/2025 16:03

I don't understand how Morgan McSweeney as an Irish man (even though Ireland was once part of the UK) never mind someone from half way across the world can rule the British!

How do you define foreign interference?

What type of person is so up themselves that they believe they have the right to tell another nation how to live?

Morgan McSweeney has lived, studied & worked in England since he was a teenager. So I should think he's fully entitled to have a job in government as a political advisor. Whatever you think of him, or his politics, he's an extremely capable & experienced man. Though, as his wife is a Labour MP here in Scotland (which is where she's from), & they also have a home here, that will probably aggravate you even more ...

Yes, you're correct that Ireland was once part of the United Kingdom, from 1801-1922, after the Act of Union came into effect. But it was essentially governed & controlled by Britain for many centuries before that - since its invasion in the late 1100s. So I did laugh at the irony of your questions: "How do you define foreign interference? What type of person is so up themselves that they believe they have the right to tell another nation how to live?" ... when Britain is defined by its historic legacy of having done just that - by invading, colonising & ruling over a quarter of the world's land mass & population???

You also say you don't understand how "someone from halfway across the world can rule the British?". Well, if you believe that one's country of birth determines nationality (& we count the seven Scottish PMs as British too), two "British" PMs were actually born & grew up in Ireland, & one was born & grew up in Canada ...

And, of course, the delightful Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson was born in America ...??!!! Though I'm not sure he did much in the way of "ruling" when he was PM ...

And yes, to come back to the OP's question, I do think that Britain is becoming more overtly racist, & that this has been lurking under the surface. I also think that this racism & bigotry is not restricted to non-whites/non-Christians, but is expanding worryingly to encompass any kind of "otherness" ...

TempestTost · 30/11/2025 00:39

Buzyizzy217 · 29/11/2025 15:37

There is no such thing as illegal immigration. That is a phrase invented by NF and millions of gullible fools believe him.

What?

What else do you call a person who immigrates without following the rules?

Why do you think they deport people?

TempestTost · 30/11/2025 00:35

FellowSuffereroftheAbsurd · 29/11/2025 09:15

I think some corners are louder and prouder, and with technology things are more visible, but I'm not sure if there are more racists/things are becoming more racist or that it's shown more. I think as others said that division in general has become louder, more blatantly supported by those who benefit from it, and a focus possibly than it was decades mast.

The original post is about getting more racist since previous decades ago, so not since Brexit - that vote was a little less than a decade ago - so are we talking since the early 00s, the 90s, 80s, 70s...

I think it would be very difficult to say Britain is more racist than the 60s when the Bristol Bus Boycott happened. Even the 80s with the race riots that happened then and a lot of shite going on then, I think that's difficult to say.

Also, the OP made foreigners equivalent to not White. There are many immigrants who are White or are regularly perceived as White who experience abuse. While not what most think of when discussing racism, the legal definition includes national origin, so yes, there are many white immigrant women who have personal experience on it.

In my experience - immigrated here over 20 years ago, visibly mixed race, obvious accent - I find I have less remarks and hostility about my ethnicity, it's a rarity for me, but I am getting more remarks and at times hostility on anything where...the best way I can put it is blending in or assimilated to what someone else perceives as British. My accent at times feels like it creates a target, that the content or politeness of what I say matter far less than how the other person feels about my accent, and I've noticed a shift in the last year or so where some people get agitated, I've started to hear "That's not a local accent!" or not a British accept and people asking how long I've been in the UK and getting unhappy I still have 'such a strong accent' or then getting less happy if I do anything else they perceive as not British enough. This had led to me getting less tolerant of people discussing my accent, it instantly brings up warning thoughts in my mind and makes me very uncomfortable, like how I can't be British enough is being poked at.

However, I bitterly resent what the left have done. It’s a question of scale. Mass immigration has been used to destroy our national identity and impose a new one on us. No one asked for it and no one voted for it.

As others mentioned, the "Boris Wave" and highest rates of immigration was under the Tories. It was the Tory Chancellor George Osbourne who called the immigration of the UK as "for-profit" in Parliament and brought in the 'private partners' among other ways corporations are making more money off of there being more immigrants coming in. That why even though the Tories brought in a lot of immigration law changes, most people - British born, naturalised British, immigrant, asylum seeker - see little benefit.

That they've somehow spun this to be something the left has done, when it's actually what those looking to squeeze 99% of us without a care for anyone but themselves is a masterclass in manipulation. Yes, people on the left are louder on defending immigration, that doesn't make them the cause.

I think the reason for people pinning this on the left is because the left are the ones calling them racists for having an issue with it.

There could be a down and out social disagreement on the kind of economic policy questions on immigration the way the Tories pushed it.

But I don't think that could ever upset people anything like as much as telling them their views on the topic are based on some kind of racial hatred they know they don't feel.

TempestTost · 30/11/2025 00:30

There are several elements around this I think. I think that people have become very fed up with the way immigration has been done, and also to be sick of being told that makes them racists. That is around numbers, the economic role that they are filling, and the stress its placing on things like housing and health. I also think there is a class element in that there seems to be an uptick in the importation of other countries class and sectarian issues.

I think there is also increasing unhappiness with the way the refugee system works currently.

That does spill out in some cases into a general frustration with immigrants in the community, however, for the most part I think people draw a line between being unhappy with policies, or sometimes unhappy with the effect a community is having, and blaming that on individuals. The exception would be some of the refugees who some people suspect are not legitimate/honest.

Also, the increasing push from the progressive left to see people in terms of race, and to lump people together based on often pretty clunky racial profiles, has had the effect of making race something people are thinking about a lot more. Their idea is that this will be a positive thing, in fact, I think it's been quite the opposite, it's a gift to actual race essentialists. Nothing helps train people to be racists more than categorising everyone by race all the time.

At the same time, some have pushed back against that and been called racist for it.

So an increasing push to racialised thinking, coupled with a devaluation of the term racist because people think it is a bull shit accusation, it's not great.

That being said I think people in the UK are much less racist than most other places in the world.

pocketpairs · 30/11/2025 00:25

TheNoonBell · 28/11/2025 15:46

Mass uncontrolled immigration and suppression of the native's discontent was always going to elicit a response.

It's everywhere and quite open now, people who I thought we apolitical are getting very fired up.

.. and he's one.