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I got fired today!!

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Amiunemployable · 27/11/2025 17:31

I started a new job on 1st September.

I was given an offer of employment letter when I started but never received a contract.

Today I was fired. Apparently I've had too much time off and failed my probation.

They've said I've had eleven days off. By my tally it's six days. Not eleven. Two were caused by migraines with aura which I've never had before and my GP reckons it was highly likely to have been caused by my office lighting as the migraines only started after I got the job. And since i stopped using the overhead office lights, (i sourced my own alternative) I've been migraine free.

I know it's still a high amount to have had off but I recieved PIP for a disability that does unfortunately mean it's difficult for me sometimes to get to work. But I've done my best.

Have I got a leg to stand on here? I never received a contract. Was never informed of a probation period. To then be told I'd failed a probation period that I didn't know existed? I signed nothing that mentioned probation.

I wasn't offered an extension to the probation period or a improvement plan, etc. Just straight dismissal, with no prior warning, for failing a probation period I didn't know existed. And also told I've had 11 days off and I don't think it's been that many.

OP posts:
GoodQueenWenceslaus · 02/12/2025 09:07

Did your colleagues all take time off for the viral illness, OP?

LIZS · 01/12/2025 21:50

Amiunemployable · 01/12/2025 20:09

You can take time of for dependents though.

The company don't pay sick pay!

You don't go to work, you don't get paid.

I called in and explained I wouldn't be in as my son was ill. So I didn't take it as sick or annual leave. I just called in and explained.

But that is still absence, paid or not. You were employed to do a specific role and didn’t at very short notice. Did you offer to make up the hours? Dependants’ leave is to arrange alternative childcare, not necessarily cover it yourself. You seem to think not turning up is acceptable.

cooksbrandedclock · 01/12/2025 21:27

Amiunemployable · 01/12/2025 17:09

and FYI (just because I've sat down and worked it out)

I had 5 days sick leave. 1 day emergency parental leave. 6 days off in total over 4 separate occasions. Not 11.

1st instance was viral illness doing the rounds at work place. 1 day.

2nd instance was d&v bug that hit my entire household. 1 day.

3rd instance was for the migraines. 2 days.

4th instance was severe period cramps. (I have cystic ovaries and suspected endo.) 1 day.

Then 1 day emergency parental leave.

None was over a weekend period.

Based on that, you have a Bradford Factor of 96 in under 3 months. That is pretty high, so you were let go due to unreliability alone.

BurnoutGP · 01/12/2025 20:21

Amiunemployable · 01/12/2025 17:18

Sorry! There was speculation up thread that I was wrong and maybe I had had the 11 days like my employer said, etc. Or that it was over a weekend so weekend days were counted. So I was just clarifying that having worked it out - it was definitely not 11 days as they said. And none over weekends.

How many Monday or Fridays?

Amiunemployable · 01/12/2025 20:09

KilkennyCats · 01/12/2025 19:39

Indeed.
Did you claim it as a sick day and get paid for it, op?
It should have been taken from annual leave.

You can take time of for dependents though.

The company don't pay sick pay!

You don't go to work, you don't get paid.

I called in and explained I wouldn't be in as my son was ill. So I didn't take it as sick or annual leave. I just called in and explained.

OP posts:
KilkennyCats · 01/12/2025 19:39

Negroany · 01/12/2025 19:26

There's no such thing as emergency parental leave.

Indeed.
Did you claim it as a sick day and get paid for it, op?
It should have been taken from annual leave.

Negroany · 01/12/2025 19:26

There's no such thing as emergency parental leave.

Pluto46 · 01/12/2025 18:21

To all those arguing disabled rights to the enth degree, I'm not sure you are actually doing disabled workers any favours to any potential employers that might read this thread

GAJLY · 01/12/2025 17:49

Can you speak to HR and ask them where they got 11 days from.

Amiunemployable · 01/12/2025 17:18

Wickedlittledancer · 01/12/2025 17:15

That’s very unfortunate in such a short period. But you’re posting like we said it was 11 days, we didn’t, it was your employer. We’ve no idea which if you is right,

Sorry! There was speculation up thread that I was wrong and maybe I had had the 11 days like my employer said, etc. Or that it was over a weekend so weekend days were counted. So I was just clarifying that having worked it out - it was definitely not 11 days as they said. And none over weekends.

OP posts:
Amiunemployable · 01/12/2025 17:16

Rosscameasdoody · 01/12/2025 17:12

But none were connected to your disability ?

I didn't say they were?

What I said was that my disability makes getting sick/ill worse. I'm not trying to claim unfair dismissal due to my disability and never once said that was the case.

OP posts:
Wickedlittledancer · 01/12/2025 17:15

Amiunemployable · 01/12/2025 17:09

and FYI (just because I've sat down and worked it out)

I had 5 days sick leave. 1 day emergency parental leave. 6 days off in total over 4 separate occasions. Not 11.

1st instance was viral illness doing the rounds at work place. 1 day.

2nd instance was d&v bug that hit my entire household. 1 day.

3rd instance was for the migraines. 2 days.

4th instance was severe period cramps. (I have cystic ovaries and suspected endo.) 1 day.

Then 1 day emergency parental leave.

None was over a weekend period.

That’s very unfortunate in such a short period. But you’re posting like we said it was 11 days, we didn’t, it was your employer. We’ve no idea which if you is right,

Rosscameasdoody · 01/12/2025 17:12

Amiunemployable · 01/12/2025 17:09

and FYI (just because I've sat down and worked it out)

I had 5 days sick leave. 1 day emergency parental leave. 6 days off in total over 4 separate occasions. Not 11.

1st instance was viral illness doing the rounds at work place. 1 day.

2nd instance was d&v bug that hit my entire household. 1 day.

3rd instance was for the migraines. 2 days.

4th instance was severe period cramps. (I have cystic ovaries and suspected endo.) 1 day.

Then 1 day emergency parental leave.

None was over a weekend period.

But none were connected to your disability ?

Amiunemployable · 01/12/2025 17:09

and FYI (just because I've sat down and worked it out)

I had 5 days sick leave. 1 day emergency parental leave. 6 days off in total over 4 separate occasions. Not 11.

1st instance was viral illness doing the rounds at work place. 1 day.

2nd instance was d&v bug that hit my entire household. 1 day.

3rd instance was for the migraines. 2 days.

4th instance was severe period cramps. (I have cystic ovaries and suspected endo.) 1 day.

Then 1 day emergency parental leave.

None was over a weekend period.

OP posts:
daleylama · 30/11/2025 23:01

Amiunemployable · 27/11/2025 21:42

She wasn't certain. I said she thought it LIKELY they COULD be the cause. That combined with going from a non-screen based role to screen based. (Haven't done a screen based role in five years)

But as I said, once I switched to a desk lamp rather than the overhead lights, my migraines stopped. Could be a coincidence. Couldn't say for sure. But personally suspect, as does my GP, that the lights and screen were the issue.

For future info, old fashioned fluoro strip lights can certainly induce headaches. I'm amazed there are any still in existence.

CoffeeLipstickKeys · 30/11/2025 19:46

Yes. If work pattern is Mon-Fri and sick day are Fri and Mon then the actual days sick are 4 inc the weekend. It’s pretty standard to count weekend as previous posters have said

YourMotherSortsSocksInHell · 30/11/2025 19:11

Wickedlittledancer · 30/11/2025 12:28

I e never ever seen a workplace do that unless weekend is a working day.
]it is more likely she’s just lost track.

Really? It's very common, I'd say normal. I've posted twice upthread exactly how it works and can't be arsed again.

@Rosscameasdoody is correct, if you return on the Monday and don't want the weekend counted as sick, make sure you put Saturday as your Fit for Work date on your self-cert.

Blowing · 30/11/2025 17:13

LoyalMember · 29/11/2025 13:19

My wife works for NHS Scotland in a large hospital, and she says exactly the same thing. You'd have to commit murder to get the sack.

Worked in the NHS for 30y and agree. HR do not want hassle or tribunals so shit staff stay around, claiming grievances and accusing others of bullying whilst everyone runs around them doing their work. And patients suffer. It’s astounding.

Rosscameasdoody · 30/11/2025 12:46

Wickedlittledancer · 30/11/2025 12:28

I e never ever seen a workplace do that unless weekend is a working day.
]it is more likely she’s just lost track.

An employer can count a weekend as sick even if you don't normally work it, when calculating the length of a sickness period. For SSP, a period of sickness is defined as four or more consecutive days, which includes weekends, bank holidays, and other non-working days. That’s why when you fill in a self certified sickness form if your sickness period includes Friday and you intend to return to work on the Monday you should put your first day fit as Saturday. I worked in the employment field and saw this happen a lot - especially in public services.

Wickedlittledancer · 30/11/2025 12:28

Rosscameasdoody · 30/11/2025 11:35

More likely that she had absences covering a weekend - if she was absent Friday and Monday they would have counted the weekend in between. You also have to be very careful about self certified sick leave. If your absence includes a Friday and you intend to return to work on the following Monday, then you should declare your first day fit as Saturday, otherwise, again, the weekend will be counted. Doesn’t take long for the absences to rack up.

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I e never ever seen a workplace do that unless weekend is a working day.
]it is more likely she’s just lost track.

Rosscameasdoody · 30/11/2025 11:35

Silverbirchleaf · 30/11/2025 11:27

From the employers point of view, op had 11 days absence, plus was late into work several times. Op disputes the 11 days (was only six? ) but possibly the other days were due to childcare responsibilities, or if she was very late into work, maybe they marked her as half day absence.

More likely that she had absences covering a weekend - if she was absent Friday and Monday they would have counted the weekend in between. You also have to be very careful about self certified sick leave. If your absence includes a Friday and you intend to return to work on the following Monday, then you should declare your first day fit as Saturday, otherwise, again, the weekend will be counted. Doesn’t take long for the absences to rack up.

Rosscameasdoody · 30/11/2025 11:29

HardyCrow · 30/11/2025 11:09

She didn’t declare it and her stated reasons for sick leave seem not to be connected to her disability.

I’ve clarified this and other points several times now - the post you quoted is from three days ago. A disabled person can declare a disability at any point during their employment - even during disciplinary procedures or on threat of dismissal providing the condition meets the definition of disability under the Equality Act and the issue at hand can be attributed to that disability - either directly or indirectly.

Had OP’s absences been attributable to her disability, she could have declared it when threatened with dismissal and that would have triggered the employers’ responsibilities under the Act - the likely outcome would have been an extension of the probationary period, along with a clarification of the employers’ expectations, as reasonable adjustment in order to allow time for her to improve,. The employer would also have had to clarify if any other reasonable measures were necessary to allow her to do the job. It seems that OP’s absences weren’t all disability connected, so it’s a moot point.

Silverbirchleaf · 30/11/2025 11:27

From the employers point of view, op had 11 days absence, plus was late into work several times. Op disputes the 11 days (was only six? ) but possibly the other days were due to childcare responsibilities, or if she was very late into work, maybe they marked her as half day absence.

HardyCrow · 30/11/2025 11:09

Rosscameasdoody · 27/11/2025 19:00

What would be more of a concern to me is that as a manager you are unaware that a disabled employee has rights from day one, not dependent on two years service.

She didn’t declare it and her stated reasons for sick leave seem not to be connected to her disability.

Rosscameasdoody · 30/11/2025 09:19

UniversalCreditBitch · 29/11/2025 21:06

How am I rude?
I didn't say she couldn't claim etc. I said I doubt the full story was declared in the original post and I was correct. I'm still not confident we know all the information.
You're the one who was rude by basically implying I am not an HR manager. What information have I said that is incorrect??

From your own post However,you can't bring to a tribunal due to under 24months service.

And Proving you were treated unfairly due to disability can be difficult to prove but not impossible.

If OP had protected characteristics due to disability and her absences were due to that disability, then she could have declared her condition to her employer right up to the point where they attempted to fire her for sickness absence. Disclosing her disability at that stage would have triggered the employers duties under the EA2010 and they likely would have had to extend the probation as a reasonable adjustment to allow OP to improve - the terms and conditions of the probation would have to have been made clear to her at that point, if they weren’t before.

Had they failed to mitigate at the point of declaration she would have had grounds to apply to the tribunal service, regardless of the length of service because of protected characteristics conferred through disability. The tribunal service itself decides whether an applicant has legal grounds to take a case forward, not the applicant themselves.

All of these are moot points, because it’s clear that she had excessive absence, not all of which could be attributed to her disability, as stipulated under the Act. So whether or not she was clear on the terms of probation is irrelevant - and l actually agree with you that we’re not being told the whole story here. If there was a probation period, she would have been aware of the standard expected of her.