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I got fired today!!

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Amiunemployable · 27/11/2025 17:31

I started a new job on 1st September.

I was given an offer of employment letter when I started but never received a contract.

Today I was fired. Apparently I've had too much time off and failed my probation.

They've said I've had eleven days off. By my tally it's six days. Not eleven. Two were caused by migraines with aura which I've never had before and my GP reckons it was highly likely to have been caused by my office lighting as the migraines only started after I got the job. And since i stopped using the overhead office lights, (i sourced my own alternative) I've been migraine free.

I know it's still a high amount to have had off but I recieved PIP for a disability that does unfortunately mean it's difficult for me sometimes to get to work. But I've done my best.

Have I got a leg to stand on here? I never received a contract. Was never informed of a probation period. To then be told I'd failed a probation period that I didn't know existed? I signed nothing that mentioned probation.

I wasn't offered an extension to the probation period or a improvement plan, etc. Just straight dismissal, with no prior warning, for failing a probation period I didn't know existed. And also told I've had 11 days off and I don't think it's been that many.

OP posts:
Rosscameasdoody · 27/11/2025 20:00

Pluto46 · 27/11/2025 19:55

All these posters suggesting the employer was at fault for not 'intervening' to establish if there was a problem or underlying disability - if all employers did that after sickness absence there would be hundreds of outraged threads on here from posters saying their private life was being invaded

I doubt it because the intervention would be quick and legal - along the lines of ‘Is there anything you think we need to know in relation to the time you’ve had off sick’. That’s the opportunity for an employee who has an undeclared disability to declare it if it’s relevant to the time off. If not then the answer is no and you move on.

LoudNoiseCantCope · 27/11/2025 20:00

SevenYellowHammers · 27/11/2025 19:51

OP has a disability though !!

How is that relevant? As the poster you quoted stated, she may have a case if she believes it was due to a protected characteristic. But OP hasn’t given any been clear that her absences were not related to her disability.

KilkennyCats · 27/11/2025 19:59

Pluto46 · 27/11/2025 19:55

All these posters suggesting the employer was at fault for not 'intervening' to establish if there was a problem or underlying disability - if all employers did that after sickness absence there would be hundreds of outraged threads on here from posters saying their private life was being invaded

Absolutely. It’s a ludicrous notion.

LIZS · 27/11/2025 19:58

SevenYellowHammers · 27/11/2025 19:51

OP has a disability though !!

But none of this absence is related to that disability. The migraines may have been triggered by office lighting but that was only 2 days of the 6/11 according to her. Op, you should get paid a proportion of your annual leave balance as well as the week’s notice.

JKLolling · 27/11/2025 19:58

After reading the OPs other post about struggling to find a job due to concerns about her reference mentioning her sickness record after having a few months off, I am a bit surprised she didn't realise on the 3rd sickness episode that this was likely to be a problem.
I suspect it may be that she was working for a school and therefore a council, who are quite 'soft' with things like this, and had then moved to a more hawkish employer.

OP - it sounds like you are someone who struggles to get in every day in a face to face job. Can you look for remote work?

ghostiewhisp · 27/11/2025 19:57

OhDearMuriel · 27/11/2025 19:31

Sorry, but 6 days off is a ridiculously high percentage.

I’ve had 3 days off in total in 8.5 years!!

A contract is NOT a legal requirement in the UK. Presumably you got a letter detailing holiday allowance etc etc., which is a requirement.

It might be high but it’s not comparable for everyone
i have little to no control over my sickness record due to a disability so my sickness is high
I can’t do anything about it

Carzycat · 27/11/2025 19:57

Have they asked you to work your notice?
I think you should speak to ACAS as you may be entitled to reasonable adjustments in terms of how the sickness criteria is applied.
That said, it doesn’t sound like the absences were due to disability.
Did you take time off sick to care for your son or was it unpaid parental emergency leave?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 27/11/2025 19:56

HoskinsChoice · 27/11/2025 19:29

She is married. It's in a previous post in a different thread.

She also took 'several months' off sick in her last role so this is not her first rodeo!

In another thread she also mentioned how flexible her employer was, HoskinsChoice, even allowing her to take her child into work where necessary

Which doesn't sound to me like the twats some have described them as ...

Rosscameasdoody · 27/11/2025 19:55

AmberRose86 · 27/11/2025 19:43

You are right in terms of this case. But to be fair there is case law which states that you should take steps to find out what’s going on if the circumstances suggest that there might be an underlying condition or disability (I’m not suggesting it applies here).

Like you can’t just plead ignorance if an employee is struggling with a repeated issue, for example.

If an employee repeatedly went off sick with migraines you’d be well advised to seek advice from OH. And I’d be asking for OH’s view on whether they’d consider it met the disability criteria (and it’s not a particularly high bar, under EqA)

Edited

This. You put it much better than I did.

Pluto46 · 27/11/2025 19:55

All these posters suggesting the employer was at fault for not 'intervening' to establish if there was a problem or underlying disability - if all employers did that after sickness absence there would be hundreds of outraged threads on here from posters saying their private life was being invaded

Rosscameasdoody · 27/11/2025 19:54

HoskinsChoice · 27/11/2025 19:47

They could argue that they did intervene the first time as the lights were to blame and so the lights were changed and the problem solved. That could presumably be deemed to be a reasonable adjustment?

So then there are only 2 absences to consider, 1 of which was not related to her own health. So, only 1 illness they didn't intervene on - a stomach bug. If companies worried that there was a disability every time someone had a stomach bug, there'd be daily interventions in every sizeable company!

I think it's unfair to say they haven't bothered as they clearly have when the lights were changed specifically for her. I think we are all agreeing that she has no case though!

OP didn’t say she reported the problem with the lights though - she said she sourced her own solution, so there’s no evidence the employer knew anything about it. I agree that OP has no case, because the absences don’t appear to be disability related, but I do find it odd that she was allowed eleven days before there was any mention of the absences being a problem, and then the employer went straight to dismissal - no PIP process or opportunity to improve, especially since the OP was on probation.

SevenYellowHammers · 27/11/2025 19:51

MyBrightPeer · 27/11/2025 17:34

Unfortunately you don’t really have any rights in this situation. If you believe that you’ve been dismissed because of a protected characteristic, there may be a case of unfair dismissal but employers can pretty much do what they want within the first two years of employment.

11 days since 1 September is a lot of days off sick tbh.

OP has a disability though !!

HoskinsChoice · 27/11/2025 19:51

IwishIhadcheese · 27/11/2025 19:33

It would be a fair point if op had said that she has a husband.
It is unfair to assume. In an ideal world the father should take equal responsibility for their child but op hasn’t indicated that anyone is around to share the load.

I’m not saying that op is right, I’m pointing out that the pp about the father assumes that he’s about and sharing that responsibility.

She is married and the father is still around.

AmberRose86 · 27/11/2025 19:48

Doteycat · 27/11/2025 19:46

Absolutely. But thats a total different scenario to one call to say a migraine due to lighting.

Yeah I know. But you said “If it’s not declared, then no law regarding disability applies”. I was just saying this is actually not strictly true

HoskinsChoice · 27/11/2025 19:47

Rosscameasdoody · 27/11/2025 19:07

I agree, but what matters here is that the employer hasn’t bothered to ascertain any of that and has not intervened despite there being a probation period, to which sickness absence is linked. They have simply waited until the OP has crossed the line at which she can be dismissed. At the very least there should have been intervention, at which point OP could have declared her disability, and then it could have been determined whether or not the absences were due to that disability. If not, then there is likely no case to answer and any application to the tribunal service would be dismissed on those grounds.

They could argue that they did intervene the first time as the lights were to blame and so the lights were changed and the problem solved. That could presumably be deemed to be a reasonable adjustment?

So then there are only 2 absences to consider, 1 of which was not related to her own health. So, only 1 illness they didn't intervene on - a stomach bug. If companies worried that there was a disability every time someone had a stomach bug, there'd be daily interventions in every sizeable company!

I think it's unfair to say they haven't bothered as they clearly have when the lights were changed specifically for her. I think we are all agreeing that she has no case though!

Twinkylightsg · 27/11/2025 19:46

Rosscameasdoody · 27/11/2025 19:17

That’s not what I’m suggesting. The intervention should have been made as soon as the OP returned from the first sick leave. There is a probationary period, here, for which sickness absence is relevant, and employers have a duty to act on any reasonable suspicion that an undeclared disability is at play. In this case, I don’t think OP has a case because her absences don’t appear to be directly disability related, but that doesn’t change the fact that the employer didn’t intervene - they waited until the OP crossed a line that meant she could be fired.

It’s not a matter of hand holding and disabled people are not dumb - many are just put off declaring a disability at any stage because of the possibility of being let go or not taken on in the first place.

Edited

I didn't read it in relation to disability. I read it as anyone who works.

Thanks for clarifying what you meant. While I think it is one way for employers to go, I really just don't think it needs to be done.

Think if you start a new job you need to put your best foot forward. Especially in the first 3 months. If you get ill you can't help it but 11 days is too much.

Rosscameasdoody · 27/11/2025 19:46

Doteycat · 27/11/2025 19:35

It is not the law that you have to, as an employer, ask, after one sickness which was given as a migraine due to lighting, is there a disability we should know about?
It just isnt.
If its not declared, then no law regarding disability applies.
Which you should know, considering the work you say you do.

I guarantee you, as an employer, i know exactly what i can and cannot do, I know exactly what i have to allow for and what i can and cannot act on. And this employee here would be gone, and Id be well within my rights.
As a person, Id also be thinking,, wtf, shes flakey and unreliable, and id be right.

I didn’t say after one absence, I said if there is reasonable suspicion that a disabilty or health condition could be the root cause of a problem. The law around declaring disability is a grey area, as I said upthread. It depends on whether it can be shown that an employer should reasonably have suspected a health problem or disability and the reasons for this are many and varied, but it’s taken into account by the tribunal service when deciding if a disabled employee has grounds to take a claim for unfair dismissal forward. In OP’s case it appears that the employer didn’t intervene or instigate any kind of back to work interview, but simply waited it out until she could be sacked. I doubt OP’s absences could be attributed to disability from what she’s said, but had that been the case the employer would have to explain why dismissal was the first option.

Doteycat · 27/11/2025 19:46

AmberRose86 · 27/11/2025 19:43

You are right in terms of this case. But to be fair there is case law which states that you should take steps to find out what’s going on if the circumstances suggest that there might be an underlying condition or disability (I’m not suggesting it applies here).

Like you can’t just plead ignorance if an employee is struggling with a repeated issue, for example.

If an employee repeatedly went off sick with migraines you’d be well advised to seek advice from OH. And I’d be asking for OH’s view on whether they’d consider it met the disability criteria (and it’s not a particularly high bar, under EqA)

Edited

Absolutely. But thats a total different scenario to one call to say a migraine due to lighting.

Ireallycantthinkofagoodone · 27/11/2025 19:44

OP - your post makes it sound as though if you had known there was a probation period, you would have made more of an effort to get into work!

AmberRose86 · 27/11/2025 19:43

Doteycat · 27/11/2025 19:35

It is not the law that you have to, as an employer, ask, after one sickness which was given as a migraine due to lighting, is there a disability we should know about?
It just isnt.
If its not declared, then no law regarding disability applies.
Which you should know, considering the work you say you do.

I guarantee you, as an employer, i know exactly what i can and cannot do, I know exactly what i have to allow for and what i can and cannot act on. And this employee here would be gone, and Id be well within my rights.
As a person, Id also be thinking,, wtf, shes flakey and unreliable, and id be right.

You are right in terms of this case. But to be fair there is case law which states that you should take steps to find out what’s going on if the circumstances suggest that there might be an underlying condition or disability (I’m not suggesting it applies here).

Like you can’t just plead ignorance if an employee is struggling with a repeated issue, for example.

If an employee repeatedly went off sick with migraines you’d be well advised to seek advice from OH. And I’d be asking for OH’s view on whether they’d consider it met the disability criteria (and it’s not a particularly high bar, under EqA)

Octoberfest · 27/11/2025 19:41

I just wanted to say that I'm so sorry this has happened to you. X

IkeaJesusChrist · 27/11/2025 19:40

I think you're fucked OP, nothing you can do

Rosscameasdoody · 27/11/2025 19:40

KilkennyCats · 27/11/2025 19:13

Presumably when op phoned in sick she explained “My child is too ill for school today, I’ll have to stay home” and “I’ve got a vomiting bug”, etc.?
You can’t seriously be suggesting employers are obligated to investigate possible disability on the part of their employees without any indication whatsoever that this may be the case?
What “intervention” would have been appropriate in the above circumstances?
Some people really do believe in the nanny state 🙄

I’m not suggesting that employers should investigate without any indication of disability, no. But the law states that if it’s reasonable to suspect that an undeclared disability is the root cause of a problem, they have a duty to investigate it. This gives the employee an opportunity to declare it, so that reasonable adjustment can be attempted before dismissal is considered. I don’t think any of this is relevant to OP because it’s become clear that her absences aren’t disability related, but had they been, the employer could have run into trouble for moving to dismissal as the first option.

Disabled people don’t declare disability for many reasons - especially if their condition is ‘hidden’. It doesn’t mean a nanny state has been created for them - the law around discrimination ensures that they are given every opportunity to be treated fairly in what may, for many, be difficult circumstances.

Saz12 · 27/11/2025 19:38

OP, I'm really sorry you lost your job. Theres probably nothing you can do about it now. Next time around, if DC are ill try and get that as unpaid parental leave. But D&V is definitely not something to go to work with, nor is a migraine.

I get that if youre usually not having these absences in other jobs then you wouldn't know about illnesses spanning weekends, etc. Can you check with employer what they've included & ask them if they'd consider adding 3 months on to your probation period. Give them anything in writing you had from GP or DC nursery to show you werent just skiing off? Clutching at straws really, as they are likely to refuse but it might be worth an ask.

It's shit timing, is it too near Christmas for you to find seasonal temporary work I guess? Though restaurants, delivery companies and retailers might still be worth a shot.

puppymaddness · 27/11/2025 19:36

Hi OP, that's so shit I'm so sorry. Others will have better legal advice but I just wanted to send you a hug 💐