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I got fired today!!

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Amiunemployable · 27/11/2025 17:31

I started a new job on 1st September.

I was given an offer of employment letter when I started but never received a contract.

Today I was fired. Apparently I've had too much time off and failed my probation.

They've said I've had eleven days off. By my tally it's six days. Not eleven. Two were caused by migraines with aura which I've never had before and my GP reckons it was highly likely to have been caused by my office lighting as the migraines only started after I got the job. And since i stopped using the overhead office lights, (i sourced my own alternative) I've been migraine free.

I know it's still a high amount to have had off but I recieved PIP for a disability that does unfortunately mean it's difficult for me sometimes to get to work. But I've done my best.

Have I got a leg to stand on here? I never received a contract. Was never informed of a probation period. To then be told I'd failed a probation period that I didn't know existed? I signed nothing that mentioned probation.

I wasn't offered an extension to the probation period or a improvement plan, etc. Just straight dismissal, with no prior warning, for failing a probation period I didn't know existed. And also told I've had 11 days off and I don't think it's been that many.

OP posts:
bridezillaincoming · 27/11/2025 20:37

I don’t think you do have a leg to stand on, but I may be wrong!

FenceBooksCycle · 27/11/2025 20:35

UnintentionalArcher · 27/11/2025 20:32

Really? That’s astounding. Is that permissible or considered poor practice?

It's permissible. An illness that lasts 4 days is just as serious, and indicates the same level of concern, whether the illness happened to strike on a Monday or on a Friday. It wouldn't be reasonable to treat an employee who happened to go down with the same bug less favourably just because they happened to fall sick on Monday rather than on Friday.

Duckishness · 27/11/2025 20:35

Amiunemployable · 27/11/2025 18:16

Look, I'm not actually looking to take this further or go to a tribunal or anything. I don't have that kind of fight in me.

I'm just worried about what I'm going to do going forward.

And yeah, I'm a bit annoyed that there was no contract, no mention of probation, no warnings. No back to work meetings after absences to discuss, etc. They were very happy with my work, and my time off hasn't been mentioned before today. As I said, there were no warnings, no discussions. It just feels shitty. No opportunities to improve and keep my job, etc.

Despite you having all this knowledge of employment law, do you have evidence of requesting any of this?

Hayley1256 · 27/11/2025 20:35

What do mean when you say you sourced your own lighting? Did others have to sit with the lights off? I suspect your behaviours may be behind this rather than the time off

FenceBooksCycle · 27/11/2025 20:32

Sorry that this happened @Amiunemployable but treat it as a learning experience for next time. Next time you are able to start a new job you will know:

  • whether you have a written contract doesn't change your access to employment rights
  • always assume that there's a probation period. Even if the official one is only a month or 3 months, any employer can sack you for any (non-discriminatory) reason in the first 2 years (the gov't intend to reduce this to 6 months but haven't yet) so always act as if you are on probation at first
  • Anything more than a 2-3% absence rate is going to be a cause of concern for any employer. Across 90 days zero days off is best, one or two might be OK. 6 will not often be considered reasonable. 11 would be unacceptable. (It's possible that if any of your absences included a Friday to Monday that might be counted as a 4 day illness? That might explain the discrepancy?)
  • You only get protection from disability discrimination if you declare your disability right from the start and discuss any reasonable adjustments that you might need in order to do the job (which might include avoiding certain types of lighting). You need to be able to be confident that your disability will not stop you from achieving the whole job in full with such adjustments in place - if you would be likely to still have regular absences then your reasonable adjustments need to include a flexible schedule so that you can reduce your working on bad days without it counting as a sick day
  • You are never entitled to use sick days for looking after a sick child. You are entitled to unpaid leave in an emergency for caring for dependents, but this is not supposed to be covering the full duration of a child's illness, just the initial emergency while you make arrangements for other carers to come and take over. As above, if your caring responsibilities wouldn't allow this and you have no way of arranging alternate cover, your hours and flexibility arrangements need to be set to allow for occasional child illnesses within your expected work pattern.
Zanatdy · 27/11/2025 20:32

Pretty

UnintentionalArcher · 27/11/2025 20:32

JKLolling · 27/11/2025 18:50

An employer will often use calendar days to work out time off. So if you are off friday and then the following monday that would count as 4 days off sick, even though you have only missed 2 working days. Because you are saying you have had a 4 day illness, which is why you also need monday off.

I imagine this is where the discrepancy is coming from.

Really? That’s astounding. Is that permissible or considered poor practice?

AlwaysLaundry37 · 27/11/2025 20:31

It’s worth giving the Migraine Trust helpline a call. I have been called to meetings about migraine absence in the past, but not fired - it is a disability and in my case has been over 30 years. This does not seem like a good company to work for.

lizzyBennet08 · 27/11/2025 20:30

Honestly op. It's a general rule of thumb that anyone would more than a day or two off in their probation period isn't going to be kept on.
The consensus is that if you're off this much when you're in probation, you'd be off far more when you're permanent.

KilkennyCats · 27/11/2025 20:29

KilliMonjaro · 27/11/2025 20:26

This is absolutely not true! We have employed someone who has been off for months due to a bereavement during probation. They have a lot more rights due to this than anyone else say the HR advisors. They are a vital role for our organisation and them not being functional is actually extremely hazardous for us financially right now.
They have come back to work but are not performing up to standard. It’s a bloody nightmare.

What rights do you have to take months off work after a bereavement?

CombatBarbie · 27/11/2025 20:29

WiddlinDiddlin · 27/11/2025 18:45

When do you declare it?

At application stage - you'll find you don't even get an interview.

At interview stage - you will almost certainly not get any further.

On day 1 - they can still find another reason to let you go after the probation period, though if they did let you go on day 1 they'd have to really prove it wasn't an immediate response to the declaration... it is possible though.

If a company does not want to hire people with disabilities, they can absolutely find ways to avoid doing so without any real possibility of comeback for the applicant. Many companies do not want to hire people with disablities because frankly (and speaking as a disabled person myself) its expensive, its a faff and we're just less reliable (depending on the disability of course) on paper and in peoples experience.

I absolutely get everything that you have said, but surely, and personally I would declare once id started because of the reasons you'vestayed, its more difficult to prove they didnt fire you because you are disabled. In the Ops case, they said she was good at the job, it was the sickness element. Had she declared disability shed have a chance at unfair dismissal.

Stucknstoopit · 27/11/2025 20:27

I feel for you OP. The world of work is not set up or welcoming for people with disabilities.
If it was, there’d have been ample opportunity for you to disclose your disability and accessibility requirements during the application process.
There would be some opportunity to record your sickness as disability related and support from your employer to find ways to manage new or existing disability related issues, especially if exacerbated by your new job.
it’s incredibly sad and can be isolating and scary putting yourself out there with people who don’t know or understand your situation.
definitely consider agency work for the interim and get onto UC and GP to see if you can be legitimately signed off for a period whilst you’re jobsearching and planning your next steps.
if you want to consider the legal route try a as as suggested and if you’re already claiming UC you can leave a message on your journal asking for an appointment with with the disability employment adviser from the DWP to discuss options and any support or advice they can offer.

look for ‘disability confident employers’ when jobsearching and as far as humanly possible heck out the flexibility of the employer prior to accepting any jobs, will they make reasonable adjustments and get everything in writing including your contract.

good luck with whatever happens next

KilliMonjaro · 27/11/2025 20:26

MyBrightPeer · 27/11/2025 17:34

Unfortunately you don’t really have any rights in this situation. If you believe that you’ve been dismissed because of a protected characteristic, there may be a case of unfair dismissal but employers can pretty much do what they want within the first two years of employment.

11 days since 1 September is a lot of days off sick tbh.

This is absolutely not true! We have employed someone who has been off for months due to a bereavement during probation. They have a lot more rights due to this than anyone else say the HR advisors. They are a vital role for our organisation and them not being functional is actually extremely hazardous for us financially right now.
They have come back to work but are not performing up to standard. It’s a bloody nightmare.

PunishmentRoundupWithJoon · 27/11/2025 20:23

Really sorry you're in this position, OP, it sounds really stressful.

Regarding the absences - can you ask them to give you the dates they say you were absent and you can check them with your own records? Dispute them if you feel the need to, though if they are firm on dismissing you, it may not be worth the stress.

I do hope you are able to find another job soon. In the meantime, can you at least claim Universal Credit as you are out of work? Not much but it's something.

Strictlycomeparent · 27/11/2025 20:23

KilkennyCats · 27/11/2025 18:08

Declaring a disability isn’t a blanket protection against being fired?!
At least two of the three sickness periods (and very possibly all three) were unrelated to any disability op may have.

No, of course it’s not, as I said.

TryingAgainAgainAgain · 27/11/2025 20:21

Sorry to say I agree with a PP that the OP is looking g for a bit of compo

What a vile and baseless post, @TwistedWonder. Showing HR in an appalling light, surprising no one.

KilkennyCats · 27/11/2025 20:21

Rosscameasdoody · 27/11/2025 20:14

I didn’t say it was the case here - in fact I’ve stated several times that it’s clearly not, because the OP’s absences were not related to her disability. But I do find it strange that the OP was allowed eleven days off sick on a probation period without anyone drawing it to her attention before they moved to fire her. No back to work interviews, or PIP procedures to give an opportunity to improve before dismissal is necessary ? No clear indication of what was expected of her during the probation period, or even a warning that she wasn’t meeting expectations.

Again, what is the point of giving someone the chance to “improve” their sickness absence levels?
The implication that it was all avoidable is clear, and that itself would probably have people screaming discrimination.
Op has had several months off in a previous position, and struggled to gain employment afterwards.
She knew 11 days in 12 weeks was too much.

HoskinsChoice · 27/11/2025 20:16

Puzzledandpissedoff · 27/11/2025 19:56

In another thread she also mentioned how flexible her employer was, HoskinsChoice, even allowing her to take her child into work where necessary

Which doesn't sound to me like the twats some have described them as ...

Yep, and look at who she works for...!

Rosscameasdoody · 27/11/2025 20:16

HoskinsChoice · 27/11/2025 20:13

A company would know if lights were changed as there are all sorts of legals around HSE and electrical testing etc. Surely she must have asked permission to change the lights and explained why.

Agree but there's a lot of inconsistencies in this story, it would be interesting to hear the employer's view on actions taken...

I was thinking the exact same thing myself. And I had considered the HSE angle, because even without the disability protection afforded by the Equality Act, the employer would have had to comply with health and safety at work, so it’s odd if she didn’t report it.

Rosscameasdoody · 27/11/2025 20:14

Doteycat · 27/11/2025 20:03

But that is not the case here?
Or are you arguing that the law for a totally different scenario exists?
Everyone knows that.
Employee A: calls 3 times with migraines, yes id be worried and asking can we help etc.
Employee B: calls 3 times, 3 different excuses. No i wouldnt be asking, i dont have to.
There is a HUGE difference.

I didn’t say it was the case here - in fact I’ve stated several times that it’s clearly not, because the OP’s absences were not related to her disability. But I do find it strange that the OP was allowed eleven days off sick on a probation period without anyone drawing it to her attention before they moved to fire her. No back to work interviews, or PIP procedures to give an opportunity to improve before dismissal is necessary ? No clear indication of what was expected of her during the probation period, or even a warning that she wasn’t meeting expectations.

HoskinsChoice · 27/11/2025 20:13

Rosscameasdoody · 27/11/2025 19:54

OP didn’t say she reported the problem with the lights though - she said she sourced her own solution, so there’s no evidence the employer knew anything about it. I agree that OP has no case, because the absences don’t appear to be disability related, but I do find it odd that she was allowed eleven days before there was any mention of the absences being a problem, and then the employer went straight to dismissal - no PIP process or opportunity to improve, especially since the OP was on probation.

A company would know if lights were changed as there are all sorts of legals around HSE and electrical testing etc. Surely she must have asked permission to change the lights and explained why.

Agree but there's a lot of inconsistencies in this story, it would be interesting to hear the employer's view on actions taken...

Tablesandchairs23 · 27/11/2025 20:06

Every new job has a probation period. Strange you didn't get a contract. They are within their rights. 6 or 11 days still a lot in less than 3 months.

Rosscameasdoody · 27/11/2025 20:05

KilkennyCats · 27/11/2025 19:59

Absolutely. It’s a ludicrous notion.

I’ve experienced many tribunal judges who would beg to differ. No one is suggesting it should be the case for every single employee, but if an employee is given leave to sue for unfair dismissal and there is evidence that the employer should reasonably have suspected a health condition as the root cause of absence or performance issues, then moving straight to dismissal before considering any other option, would need to be explained

Doteycat · 27/11/2025 20:03

Rosscameasdoody · 27/11/2025 20:00

I doubt it because the intervention would be quick and legal - along the lines of ‘Is there anything you think we need to know in relation to the time you’ve had off sick’. That’s the opportunity for an employee who has an undeclared disability to declare it if it’s relevant to the time off. If not then the answer is no and you move on.

But that is not the case here?
Or are you arguing that the law for a totally different scenario exists?
Everyone knows that.
Employee A: calls 3 times with migraines, yes id be worried and asking can we help etc.
Employee B: calls 3 times, 3 different excuses. No i wouldnt be asking, i dont have to.
There is a HUGE difference.

Rosscameasdoody · 27/11/2025 20:03

LoudNoiseCantCope · 27/11/2025 20:00

How is that relevant? As the poster you quoted stated, she may have a case if she believes it was due to a protected characteristic. But OP hasn’t given any been clear that her absences were not related to her disability.

Exactly this. Unless OP’s absences are directly related to that disability, they are irrelevant to the protected characteristic conferred by it.

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