AIBU that now is the time for us to get behind Kemi?

I'm sorry that the pension scheme has changed so much but those of us who did retire with a final salary pension are not to blame. It doesn't mean we have no idea what's going on in the real world. It also doesn't mean that we all vote Labour.

I used to vote Tory but have not done so since Cameron was PM and was appalled at how things got even worse during the Boris, Truss and Sunak eras. I think they have taken another huge step in the wrong direction with Badenoch.

But that still doesn't mean I support Labour. I don't agree with everything they have done so far but they are not solely responsible for the state that the country is currently in.

It’s really not. No, I won’t. It is easy to support Labour if you did well in a secure job. Retired at 55 on a final salary pension. The current pension scheme is a pyramid scheme. I doubt I will have one. They are unaffordable and we are currently paying for the retirees who could finish early and take full final salary. The system will collapse before then, it is unaffordable. Especially as we seem intent on destroying the sector that pays for us.

I work with people in dire need and whom are in dire circumstances. That’s why I am angry about what the current government is doing but that’s for another thread.

The only people I see supporting Labour now are mainly retired public sector workers (many of the younger cohort aren’t as militant and unionised) or welfare claimants.

That's a very sweeping statement to make to say they are generally ignorant of what is going on in the real world. Many PS jobs involve working with and helping people who are living in the most dire of circumstances, so they are very much aware. That is regardless of which party is in power.

If you work in the public sector then surely you must know this? And will you not also be in receipt of one of those 'pensions to dream of' one day?

Same.

Nothing - I am one. On the whole, they are generally ignorant of what is going on in the real world. Especially retired ones on pensions that the rest of us can only dream of. All the while, the public sector is falling apart and the unions just keep kite flying and not really helping our cause. They are sheltered from a lot of the pain and uncertainty that has been inflicted on the private sector. That impacts everyone. The only people I see supporting Labour fall into two categories at the moment. My colleagues can’t stand them. They are losing the support of the current crop of PS workers.

What's wrong with being a public sector worker?

This.

lt wasn’t Baroness Harman’s emails, she hacked her website and altered the content; a criminal offence.

Totally agree.

How she didn't have her arse kicked for that is beyond me. She is not fit for public office in any capacity. For the Tories to elect her as their party leader just tells me all I need to know about their ethics.

The Tories are now an irrelevance, at least for a generation.
Reform would seem to be incompetent, however they are scaring Labour into being more right wing than the Tories were over their 14 year reign.
If Labour can fix the NHS, law & order, and the bug bear of immigration, they should win easily next election.

You've clearly missed some threads on here because that isn't the case at all.

That's extremely difficult to do. Almost all public sector pension schemes don't put contributions in a pot.

Set up a DC scheme and you have to invest all those contributions which means a big black hole in your current finances.

The coalition government tried to do this and couldn't manage it .

Just correcting myself slightly here. I think most public sector pension schemes are now some form of career average/DC schemes. Final salary PS pension schemes are mostly are no longer open to new members AFAIK.

This is really not the case, sadly. For example, have you seen some of the MN threads about the Motability scheme?

Yeah everyone is happy to help support disabled ppl.

Most PS pension schemes are DC now.

They are arguing semantics. Saying something like that, even in jest, would definitely be an offence under the malicious communications act. That’s why MNHQ had to delete it. Some might want to remember that piece of legislation when hurling abuse at people for having differing opinions.

As proven yet again. Ex/current public sector workers with great pensions (compared to majority of private sector workers) and rely on the state for employment.

The only people supporting Labour right now are retired public sector workers or those in receipt of welfare.

No she didn’t. You’ve jumped to that in your own posts.

Mnhq have deleted it anyway so they agree

Until public sector pensions are defined contribution based, rather than final salary related, a Labour government will continue to savage DC pensions. Easy and cheap to attack, and without any fear of backlash!

Stop misquoting me. I never said it was a death threat, read my post.
I said "you are supporting the killing of an MP just because you disagree with her?".
I didn't say they made a death threat.
Your comprehension is poor.

A poster said it was a death threat. If I saw a death threat the police would be my first port of call.

I was for a period of my life, yes. What has that got to do with being on benefits?

No. Just that.

Yes, I appreciate that I am a Tory and that I generally disagree with most of the MN left. But if none of your MP's have ever even tried to succeed in business, then why would people who have small companies, or bigger ones, take you seriously? They do not know anything about keeping a business going.