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ILoveHotChocolates · 2025-11-27T10:47:53+00:00

I guess this won’t be shouted about in the news. Such a good thing

twistyizzy · 27/11/2025 12:00

ILoveHotChocolates · 27/11/2025 11:51

Why? Low skilled workers are still important.

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Yes they are but we shouldn't be importing low skilled workers when those jobs could be done by unemployed UK citizens.
Also higher skilled workers earn more = pay more tax.
So if you are losing higher tax payers and bring in workers who are low/no tax payers then that obviously impacts on the money available to fund the services those lower skilled workers use.

Wfhftm · 27/11/2025 11:58

When you search for jobs online there are loads of low skilled jobs. People don’t want to do them.

OneAmberFinch · 27/11/2025 11:56

ILoveHotChocolates · 27/11/2025 11:51

Why? Low skilled workers are still important.

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Low skilled work could be done by some of the economically-inactive original population (or in some cases by increased automation).

The argument for high-skilled immigration is that they might have specific niche skills that are hard to replicate in the original population. Not the case for low-skilled work by definition.

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ILoveHotChocolates · 27/11/2025 11:51

twistyizzy · 27/11/2025 11:42

Seemingly a significant portion of migrant workers are in lower-skilled occupations. In the UK, a 2023 analysis found that nearly 60% of foreign nationals were in jobs not in high skilled jobs, about 32% of EU migrants and 33% of non-EU migrants were in lower-middle-skill jobs like care workers or drivers.

So if we are losing doctors (which we are) and getting drivers then obviously that's an issue.

https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/515/massive-recent-increase-in-lower-skilled-immigrant-workers

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Why? Low skilled workers are still important.

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twistyizzy · 27/11/2025 11:42

Ohthatsabitshit · 27/11/2025 11:35

Are the migrants coming in unskilled? I think that’s a rather bold assumption. Surely many of them will be skilled professionals. Are we still receiving people from HK who were likely born British and highly motivated to rejoin?

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Seemingly a significant portion of migrant workers are in lower-skilled occupations. In the UK, a 2023 analysis found that nearly 60% of foreign nationals were in jobs not in high skilled jobs, about 32% of EU migrants and 33% of non-EU migrants were in lower-middle-skill jobs like care workers or drivers.

So if we are losing doctors (which we are) and getting drivers then obviously that's an issue.

https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/515/massive-recent-increase-in-lower-skilled-immigrant-workers

Ohthatsabitshit · 27/11/2025 11:35

Are the migrants coming in unskilled? I think that’s a rather bold assumption. Surely many of them will be skilled professionals. Are we still receiving people from HK who were likely born British and highly motivated to rejoin?

HeddaGarbled · 27/11/2025 11:33

Changing the goalposts springs to mind

Quite.

Or just carping as default setting.

twistyizzy · 27/11/2025 11:32

So actually according to the latest @ONS figures we have the single biggest outflow of people from this country in more than a century. According to the breakdown, the rise in emigration is primarily down to two things.
First, the departure of non-EU migrants (presumably many of whom came over in recent years).
But also, importantly, a higher-than-previously-estimated outflow of British citizens abroad. So if professinals and skilled people are leaving Vs unskilled migrants coming in, then it isn't a positive.

Net migration has decreased from 649,000 to 204,000 in the year to June 2025

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ILoveHotChocolates · 27/11/2025 11:30

TeenagersAngst · 27/11/2025 11:13

It's not 'a good thing' if professionals and skilled workers are emigrating and non-skilled workers are immigrating.

The net figure only tells a very small part of the story.

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TeenagersAngst · 27/11/2025 11:13

It's not 'a good thing' if professionals and skilled workers are emigrating and non-skilled workers are immigrating.

The net figure only tells a very small part of the story.

TeenagersAngst · 27/11/2025 11:07

So EU and British people are leaving which brings the overall figure down.

Non EU migration into the UK is double pre-Brexit figures. So the headline is a little misleading.

TeenagersAngst · 27/11/2025 11:06

EU net migration was negative, estimated at -70,000 in the year ending June 2025. Most EU migration involved people with EUSS status who originally arrived with free movement rights before Brexit. British net migration was also negative, at -109,000. British net emigration increased in 2022 and 2023 but was largely stable over the past year. These negative figures brought the overall total down, despite non-EU net migration of 383,000, which is roughly double the levels seen shortly before Brexit in 2018 and 2019.

Taken from an article online.

Silverplug · 27/11/2025 11:03

Snorlaxo · 27/11/2025 11:00

What kind of people are leaving? I suspect that it’s tax paying professionals and Brits rather than men arriving on boats.

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CryMyEyesViolet · 27/11/2025 11:02

ILoveHotChocolates · 27/11/2025 10:59

arriving.

I highly doubt 400k people have left. So it’ll be a fall in immigration

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Are you sure? There are a significant proportion of people leaving… maybe not 400k, but I don’t know that.

I’d quite like to see the gross migration numbers.

Ohthatsabitshit · 27/11/2025 11:01

How many do we need? 200k sounds very small to me.

Snorlaxo · 27/11/2025 11:00

What kind of people are leaving? I suspect that it’s tax paying professionals and Brits rather than men arriving on boats.

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ILoveHotChocolates · 27/11/2025 10:59

Ohthatsabitshit · 27/11/2025 10:57

200k on balance leaving or arriving? What do we need it to be to offset the drop in birth rate and larger population that are older citizens?

arriving.

I highly doubt 400k people have left. So it’ll be a fall in immigration

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Ohthatsabitshit · 27/11/2025 10:57

200k on balance leaving or arriving? What do we need it to be to offset the drop in birth rate and larger population that are older citizens?