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Net migration has decreased from 649,000 to 204,000 in the year to June 2025

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ILoveHotChocolates · 27/11/2025 10:47

I guess this won’t be shouted about in the news. Such a good thing

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twistyizzy · 27/11/2025 14:48

There is a reason the top schools in UK are opening branches in Dubai/UAE. There is a huge demand from people leaving the UK and taking their families.

Unescorted · 27/11/2025 14:45

If the immigrant has the skills as they come over (which many do) and the job becomes vacant because of the incumbent emigrated the job at that pay scale is still there for the immigrant to do and be paid for. Unless you are suggesting that immigrants should not be paid the same for the same job....

Nothankyov · 27/11/2025 14:44

twistyizzy · 27/11/2025 14:38

The data says 255K British nationals left between March 24-March 25 plus obviously more from April 25- now

I have to say I’m not surprised. We left July 2024 and 7 couples that we are friends with have left as well. One that remained is seriously considering it. My husband has 2 other colleagues at work in the uk that have reached out to see if they can get a job where he has moved to. It’s bound to happen. It’s sad for the uk but people have to make the best decisions for them.

MagpiePi · 27/11/2025 14:44

Timesquaredy · 27/11/2025 14:29

Also, 60% in lower skilled jobs - what % of British people are in lower skilled jobs, I wonder? It can be that all British people are in high skilled jobs, surely?

I think one of the biggest problems of our time is that assertions become facts very quickly, with no proof. It may be, as suggested, that the emigration we’re seeing is all highly skilled workers and they’re being replaced by low skilled. But no one on this thread seems to know if that’s actually the case.

Why let facts get in the way of a racist generalisation?

smallglassbottle · Today 14:30

So we're swapping skilled people for unskilled, possibly criminal people who may or may not pay tax and who cost the country money anyway.

ie. All immigrants are scrounging criminals

twistyizzy · 27/11/2025 14:41

Unescorted · 27/11/2025 14:33

My original point that you quoted was that many do but are taking low skilled jobs until they secure a higher paying one that utilises their skills better.

And in that time they are only contributing the bare minimum whilst using the public services. So even if they do eventually get higher paying jobs, there is a severe lag between the higher tax payers leaving + immigrants working their way up to higher paying jobs. In that time lag they are putting pressure on public services but not paying for them. Whereas the higher taxpayers who have left are less likely to have used the full suite of public services especially healthcare/education.

Surely you see the issue?

Do you have the data on what % go on to become higher rate taxpayers?

twistyizzy · 27/11/2025 14:38

Nothankyov · 27/11/2025 14:36

I agree I don’t think it’s 400k that have left. But a lot of professionals in my circle have immigrated in the last 18 months.

The data says 255K British nationals left between March 24-March 25 plus obviously more from April 25- now

Net migration has decreased from 649,000 to 204,000 in the year to June 2025
Net migration has decreased from 649,000 to 204,000 in the year to June 2025
Net migration has decreased from 649,000 to 204,000 in the year to June 2025
Nothankyov · 27/11/2025 14:37

Snorlaxo · 27/11/2025 11:00

What kind of people are leaving? I suspect that it’s tax paying professionals and Brits rather than men arriving on boats.

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I completely agree with this. We have left and quite a few of our friends have as well. I still miss the UK but it was the best decision for my family.

Nothankyov · 27/11/2025 14:36

ILoveHotChocolates · 27/11/2025 10:59

arriving.

I highly doubt 400k people have left. So it’ll be a fall in immigration

I agree I don’t think it’s 400k that have left. But a lot of professionals in my circle have immigrated in the last 18 months.

Unescorted · 27/11/2025 14:33

twistyizzy · 27/11/2025 14:30

How if they dont have the skills needed? We are losing high skilled individuals and replacing them with low skilled.....the point about high skills level has passed you by?
We are losing doctors and getting delivery drivers..........

My original point that you quoted was that many do but are taking low skilled jobs until they secure a higher paying one that utilises their skills better.

twistyizzy · 27/11/2025 14:33

Timesquaredy · 27/11/2025 14:29

Also, 60% in lower skilled jobs - what % of British people are in lower skilled jobs, I wonder? It can be that all British people are in high skilled jobs, surely?

I think one of the biggest problems of our time is that assertions become facts very quickly, with no proof. It may be, as suggested, that the emigration we’re seeing is all highly skilled workers and they’re being replaced by low skilled. But no one on this thread seems to know if that’s actually the case.

Because who are more able to afford to move abroad? Low or high skilled? 🤔

There is no data to track the skills level of people leaving but it's pretty much common sense. We KNOW UK citizen doctors are leaving.

Ohpleeeease · 27/11/2025 14:32

Does this also include the 110,000 applications from asylum seekers in the year to June 2025? Those are 14% up in the last year.

smallglassbottle · 27/11/2025 14:30

So we're swapping skilled people for unskilled, possibly criminal people who may or may not pay tax and who cost the country money anyway.

Great. The country will be thriving in no time 🙄

twistyizzy · 27/11/2025 14:30

Unescorted · 27/11/2025 14:28

So as the jobs are freed up the people coming in can take those positions and pay higher taxes..

How if they dont have the skills needed? We are losing high skilled individuals and replacing them with low skilled.....the point about high skills level has passed you by?
We are losing doctors and getting delivery drivers..........

Timesquaredy · 27/11/2025 14:29

Unescorted · 27/11/2025 14:21

In a lower skilled occupation does not necessarily mean they are lower skilled. You may have a Doctor or Engineer who is doing any job to keep body and soul together.

Also, 60% in lower skilled jobs - what % of British people are in lower skilled jobs, I wonder? It can be that all British people are in high skilled jobs, surely?

I think one of the biggest problems of our time is that assertions become facts very quickly, with no proof. It may be, as suggested, that the emigration we’re seeing is all highly skilled workers and they’re being replaced by low skilled. But no one on this thread seems to know if that’s actually the case.

averylongtimeago · 27/11/2025 14:29

If we are worried about a change in the demographics of the country and the falling birth rate, the UK needs to make it more attractive for its people to have children, especially well educated professionals. The cost of childcare is enormous, the cost of housing, lack of tax breaks for families this is all part of the reason for smaller families.
Yes we do need some immigration to fill gaps, we also need to work out how to keep home grown Drs ect here.

What we don’t need are thousands of ill educated young men who have a totally different culture and values and who only want to come to the uk because it’s seen as paved with gold that you don’t have to work for.
The young men I met at my language class (all from Africa who had been shipped to our local town after The jungle at Calais had been cleared a few years ago) told me when I asked why they didn’t want to stay in France (where they got more money from the government than they would in the uk at that time) that in the uk they would get lots of money, a house and a car from the government and a new wife, because English girls are easy.
Out of the 2 dozen who arrived, half had disappeared within weeks and out of the rest, almost all ended up being deported. Only one or two were prepared to do the work to learn the language and integrate.
They were not bad lads, all aged between mid teens to 30, but they had no transferable skills, and had a totally different mindset. Most wouldn’t speak to women and found the idea that women are equal shocking.

Unescorted · 27/11/2025 14:28

twistyizzy · 27/11/2025 14:23

But the point is they won't be working in highly skilled jobs when they arrive. So we are losing higher rate taxpayers in return for low rate taxpayers. You can try to argue it however you want but the data is the data and it specifically says "lower skilled immigrant workers"

So as the jobs are freed up the people coming in can take those positions and pay higher taxes..

Holluschickie · 27/11/2025 14:28

5MinuteArgument · 27/11/2025 14:27

Yes. Just heard BBC crowing about the drop in net migration. Presenter Sarah Montague (salary approx £250,000 pa) suggested that given these figures, that people need to 'calm down' about immigration.

NO mention that the drop in net migration is partly made up of talented, skilled Brits leaving the country. The media class must think we're really stupid.

How would you solve this?

5MinuteArgument · 27/11/2025 14:27

HalfMoonRising · 27/11/2025 14:12

They're fudging the figures to show how they're finally doing something and listening to the British public concerns. It's bs. High earners are emigrating and being replaced by deliveroo drivers, waiting staff and taxi drivers. Fabulous, just want the country needs! and the tired old trope that the nhs would collapse without immigration is of each successive governments making - increase the number of training places for newly qualified doctors and the problem would be solved, with no need to recruit foreign workers. Finally people are waking up to the propaganda that's been pushed upon us for decades. They really do think we're stupid.

Yes. Just heard BBC crowing about the drop in net migration. Presenter Sarah Montague (salary approx £250,000 pa) suggested that given these figures, that people need to 'calm down' about immigration.

NO mention that the drop in net migration is partly made up of talented, skilled Brits leaving the country. The media class must think we're really stupid.

twistyizzy · 27/11/2025 14:24

eqpi4t2hbsnktd · 27/11/2025 14:23

Yes but why couldn't single mothers on benefits do manual jobs? They can and do...

That is true and they should, as should anyone who is capable of working

twistyizzy · 27/11/2025 14:23

Unescorted · 27/11/2025 14:21

In a lower skilled occupation does not necessarily mean they are lower skilled. You may have a Doctor or Engineer who is doing any job to keep body and soul together.

But the point is they won't be working in highly skilled jobs when they arrive. So we are losing higher rate taxpayers in return for low rate taxpayers. You can try to argue it however you want but the data is the data and it specifically says "lower skilled immigrant workers"

eqpi4t2hbsnktd · 27/11/2025 14:23

twistyizzy · 27/11/2025 13:56

No-one said single mothers did they? That's your twist.

Yes but why couldn't single mothers on benefits do manual jobs? They can and do...

Holluschickie · 27/11/2025 14:23

I hope everyone is prepared to take care of their own mums or dads in their homes. I am expecting to do that.

Unescorted · 27/11/2025 14:21

twistyizzy · 27/11/2025 11:42

Seemingly a significant portion of migrant workers are in lower-skilled occupations. In the UK, a 2023 analysis found that nearly 60% of foreign nationals were in jobs not in high skilled jobs, about 32% of EU migrants and 33% of non-EU migrants were in lower-middle-skill jobs like care workers or drivers.

So if we are losing doctors (which we are) and getting drivers then obviously that's an issue.

https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/515/massive-recent-increase-in-lower-skilled-immigrant-workers

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In a lower skilled occupation does not necessarily mean they are lower skilled. You may have a Doctor or Engineer who is doing any job to keep body and soul together.

ChristmasCrumblings · 27/11/2025 14:15

OneAmberFinch · 27/11/2025 13:49

EU vs non-EU is a bit of a stupid measure imo because "non-EU" includes America, Canada, Australia etc.

With that said there are patterns in migration between different countries and very significant variation in both economic contribution and cultural similarity, and an immigration system that's wilfully blind to these patterns is what's got us into this.

Really? Because a lot of non eu immigration is from ex British colonies so they usually speak English, have often gone through a schooling system similar to rhe uk, have learnt or been exposed to British culture and history and are even used to driving on the left side of the road.

HalfMoonRising · 27/11/2025 14:15

ihaterain2024 · 27/11/2025 13:59

The jobs ma be advertised but in reality they don't exist

Thank you for pointing this out. I used to work in this sector, and the low skilled jobs advertised are a ruse to build a bank of candidates just in case the agencies secure a contract and need people asap.

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