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Net migration has decreased from 649,000 to 204,000 in the year to June 2025

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ILoveHotChocolates · 27/11/2025 10:47

I guess this won’t be shouted about in the news. Such a good thing

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nearlylovemyusername · 27/11/2025 16:16

Holluschickie · 27/11/2025 15:43

Because there is a martial law prohibiting men from 18-60 from leaving the Ukraine.

Believe it or not but I know about this.

The question was how would women and children migrants get here without men. So I answered with the example of Ukrainian refugees, who managed just fine.

GentleOlive · 27/11/2025 16:13

Unescorted · 27/11/2025 16:12

And equally there is no evidence to the contrary.

Thats not how evidence and proof works.

Unescorted · 27/11/2025 16:12

percypiggy200 · 27/11/2025 16:00

There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that the people who are coming in and working as delivery drivers were actually neuroscientists in their own country and just waiting to get an appropriate job here. What the data actually says is that they are low skilled workers.

And equally there is no evidence to the contrary.

percypiggy200 · 27/11/2025 16:00

Unescorted · 27/11/2025 14:33

My original point that you quoted was that many do but are taking low skilled jobs until they secure a higher paying one that utilises their skills better.

There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that the people who are coming in and working as delivery drivers were actually neuroscientists in their own country and just waiting to get an appropriate job here. What the data actually says is that they are low skilled workers.

Holluschickie · 27/11/2025 15:43

nearlylovemyusername · 27/11/2025 15:33

How did Ukrainians managed this? escaping real war? I believe there were almost exclusively women, children and elderly

Because there is a martial law prohibiting men from 18-60 from leaving the Ukraine.

nearlylovemyusername · 27/11/2025 15:33

Holluschickie · 27/11/2025 15:22

How would the small children get here?

How did Ukrainians managed this? escaping real war? I believe there were almost exclusively women, children and elderly

nearlylovemyusername · 27/11/2025 15:30

twistyizzy · 27/11/2025 14:38

The data says 255K British nationals left between March 24-March 25 plus obviously more from April 25- now

that's impressive stats, thank you for sharing.

So in a year we lost 111k 16-34yo, the exact demographics every country wants to attract. I can bet it's not NEETs leaving the UK.

Anecdotally, my DCs former classmates, now mostly doing A-levels at top selective private schools, are all considering leaving and going to unis abroad. These kids are amongst the very brightest in the country

Holluschickie · 27/11/2025 15:22

smallglassbottle · 27/11/2025 15:18

I didn't say all immigrants are 'scrounging criminals', but the attitudes towards women, girls and the rapes and attacks aren't filling me with optimism. We have enough home grown problematic men to begin with without facilitating even more of them. Can't we have women and small children instead?

How would the small children get here?

ruffler45 · 27/11/2025 15:21

Depends on who has left and who has arrived?

I doubt the government knows...

Unescorted · 27/11/2025 15:20

twistyizzy · 27/11/2025 15:00

Where is your data to support that? I have supplied the report which states "low skilled immigrants" but so far you've just given me your opinion.

The op said in low skilled jobs. That doesn't equate to lie skilled immigrants

Unescorted · 27/11/2025 15:19

smallglassbottle · 27/11/2025 15:14

It's all relative though. To some people this will be an improvement.

It might be but on the other hand it might not. We don't know...

smallglassbottle · 27/11/2025 15:18

MagpiePi · 27/11/2025 14:44

Why let facts get in the way of a racist generalisation?

smallglassbottle · Today 14:30

So we're swapping skilled people for unskilled, possibly criminal people who may or may not pay tax and who cost the country money anyway.

ie. All immigrants are scrounging criminals

I didn't say all immigrants are 'scrounging criminals', but the attitudes towards women, girls and the rapes and attacks aren't filling me with optimism. We have enough home grown problematic men to begin with without facilitating even more of them. Can't we have women and small children instead?

InterestedDad37 · 27/11/2025 15:17

YABU for saying "It won't be shouted about in the news" - I usually have 24hr news or radio on as 'background noise' when at home. It's been on every single summary, hourly report etc. There is no conspiracy to hide such news.

GentleOlive · 27/11/2025 15:17

203k is an insanely high number. But because the public has been conditioned to be shit on by those in power and then have an ice cold bucket of water poured over them and left out in -2c, the public is stupid enough to fall for ‘good news’ stories like this. 900k people came into the country last year, mostly low skilled, bogus students and some high skilled. On the other hundreds of thousands of high skilled, high paid locals left because of the state of this country and the constant assault on them for actually working and paying their way. Imagine that, 900k immigration.

In other real news though, asylum applications hit a record number. Yippeee.

smallglassbottle · 27/11/2025 15:14

Unescorted · 27/11/2025 14:59

No idea but you don't uproot everything you know and at great expense to sweep the streets or deliver food by bike as the pinicle of career progression

It's all relative though. To some people this will be an improvement.

smallglassbottle · 27/11/2025 15:11

LoveItaly · 27/11/2025 14:58

Look on the bright side, you’ll never be far from a barbers or a vape shop. Depressing isn’t it ☹️

Yes, it's depressing. Let's hope the future population see fit to not only contribute to the country, but also preserve its historical sites, countryside and wildlife. Although, Labour are planning on trashing those anyway, so they'll beat them to it I guess.

TeenagersAngst · 27/11/2025 15:04

ChristmasCrumblings · 27/11/2025 13:43

Oh my goodness. I saw your post before you edited it. Uggh...I hope you edited your post because you realised how racist it was but is this really what people think? Eu Immigration ok- Non eu immigration not ok?

What on earth are you talking about? I added a missing 'are' into the first sentence.

twistyizzy · 27/11/2025 15:00

Unescorted · 27/11/2025 14:55

Many immigrants have high skills . They are qualified to do the high skill jobs. Many do low skilled jobs because they need to eat. They do not lose those skills when they take a temporary job. So when the job becomes available they can do it because they have the skills.

I am not sure I can make it any simpler for you.

Where is your data to support that? I have supplied the report which states "low skilled immigrants" but so far you've just given me your opinion.

Unescorted · 27/11/2025 14:59

smallglassbottle · 27/11/2025 14:57

What are the statistics for highly skilled migrants coming over and securing long term skilled employment vs low skilled or non working migrants?

No idea but you don't uproot everything you know and at great expense to sweep the streets or deliver food by bike as the pinicle of career progression

LoveItaly · 27/11/2025 14:58

smallglassbottle · 27/11/2025 14:30

So we're swapping skilled people for unskilled, possibly criminal people who may or may not pay tax and who cost the country money anyway.

Great. The country will be thriving in no time 🙄

Look on the bright side, you’ll never be far from a barbers or a vape shop. Depressing isn’t it ☹️

smallglassbottle · 27/11/2025 14:57

Unescorted · 27/11/2025 14:55

Many immigrants have high skills . They are qualified to do the high skill jobs. Many do low skilled jobs because they need to eat. They do not lose those skills when they take a temporary job. So when the job becomes available they can do it because they have the skills.

I am not sure I can make it any simpler for you.

What are the statistics for highly skilled migrants coming over and securing long term skilled employment vs low skilled or non working migrants?

Unescorted · 27/11/2025 14:55

twistyizzy · 27/11/2025 14:50

So a UK doctor leaves and a low skilled immigrant can just upskill themselves?
You really don't understand the demographics here. I am out now. But yeh sure it's really easy to replace all of the highly skilled + high earners who are leaving UK. Their jobs can just be filled my newly arrived immigrants. Problem solved!
I give up.

Many immigrants have high skills . They are qualified to do the high skill jobs. Many do low skilled jobs because they need to eat. They do not lose those skills when they take a temporary job. So when the job becomes available they can do it because they have the skills.

I am not sure I can make it any simpler for you.

EasternStandard · 27/11/2025 14:51

twistyizzy · 27/11/2025 14:38

The data says 255K British nationals left between March 24-March 25 plus obviously more from April 25- now

Yeh that is high

twistyizzy · 27/11/2025 14:50

Unescorted · 27/11/2025 14:45

If the immigrant has the skills as they come over (which many do) and the job becomes vacant because of the incumbent emigrated the job at that pay scale is still there for the immigrant to do and be paid for. Unless you are suggesting that immigrants should not be paid the same for the same job....

So a UK doctor leaves and a low skilled immigrant can just upskill themselves?
You really don't understand the demographics here. I am out now. But yeh sure it's really easy to replace all of the highly skilled + high earners who are leaving UK. Their jobs can just be filled my newly arrived immigrants. Problem solved!
I give up.

5MinuteArgument · 27/11/2025 14:49

twistyizzy · 27/11/2025 14:38

The data says 255K British nationals left between March 24-March 25 plus obviously more from April 25- now

Yes. I wonder why the BBC didn't include this in their report? Net migration going down is good news but if a significant part of that is talented Brits leaving and taking their assets with them, then it's bad news.

Having nearly a million NEETS who we have to pay benefits to while swapping skilled Brits for low skilled migrants is bad news and the govt need to get a grip.

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