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Net migration has decreased from 649,000 to 204,000 in the year to June 2025

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ILoveHotChocolates · 27/11/2025 10:47

I guess this won’t be shouted about in the news. Such a good thing

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Zanatdy · 27/11/2025 22:22

It’s due to changes in the immigration rules, originally introduced by tories. Many Uni’s are struggling.

DuncinToffee · 27/11/2025 22:18

Genevieva · 27/11/2025 22:07

What about gross migration? We’ve had an exodus of taxpayers over the last year. Unfortunately most migrants are not entering high tax paying professions. Also, most British citizens come home after spending some years working overseas, whereas most immigrants to the U.K. never leave. They grow old here. The he most financially beneficial immigrants are those that countries like Dubai attract: fit, healthy, professionals of working age who leave before they become a burden on the taxpayer.

We've had an exodus of tax payers last year?

Genevieva · 27/11/2025 22:15

Holluschickie · 27/11/2025 22:11

Dubai has 0 personal tax. Why would young high earning professionals come to the UK to get low wages and pay high taxes, while being tarred as benefit scroungers and told to leave as soon as they get old?

I know. My point wasn’t about who would want to come at the moment, it about who a country should try to attract. You can attract them with higher tax than Dubai, as long as it’s not cripplingly high and as long as you offer other benefits like a safe environment, a free society and cultural opportunities like theatres, exhibitions and sporting events. Britain is strong on the last of these, but its ranking for the others has taken a big hit over the last 5 years.

x12 · 27/11/2025 22:15

Surely people who leave the UK are always highly skilled? High housing costs & wage stagnation make the UK very unattractive to young people.

Holluschickie · 27/11/2025 22:11

Genevieva · 27/11/2025 22:07

What about gross migration? We’ve had an exodus of taxpayers over the last year. Unfortunately most migrants are not entering high tax paying professions. Also, most British citizens come home after spending some years working overseas, whereas most immigrants to the U.K. never leave. They grow old here. The he most financially beneficial immigrants are those that countries like Dubai attract: fit, healthy, professionals of working age who leave before they become a burden on the taxpayer.

Dubai has 0 personal tax. Why would young high earning professionals come to the UK to get low wages and pay high taxes, while being tarred as benefit scroungers and told to leave as soon as they get old?

Genevieva · 27/11/2025 22:07

What about gross migration? We’ve had an exodus of taxpayers over the last year. Unfortunately most migrants are not entering high tax paying professions. Also, most British citizens come home after spending some years working overseas, whereas most immigrants to the U.K. never leave. They grow old here. The he most financially beneficial immigrants are those that countries like Dubai attract: fit, healthy, professionals of working age who leave before they become a burden on the taxpayer.

Ilikeryebread · 27/11/2025 21:58

averylongtimeago · 27/11/2025 19:36

At my language class in France.
Sorry if I didn’t make that clear. And I am well aware that the jungle still exists.
Having actually met some of the young men (and it was all young men) on their way to the uk I shared what I saw and heard. Sorry if you don’t like it!

Its not a question of what I like, I think the whole demographics thing is complete horseshit. It lends to this fantasy that the white race is about to die out.

How many people of Northern white European live in South Africa alone? Around 4.5 million. That's more people than Birmingham , Manchester and Leeds and Glasgow put together.

We currently have not even half that many Africans here in the UK.

That's just South Africa, forget the millions of whites all over Africa. Or the 100's of millions in the USA alone, and the millions in Australia and other parts of Africa and Asia.

Guess what? All those people left Europe, every last one of them, for 'a better life'

nearlylovemyusername · 27/11/2025 21:53

Ilikeryebread · 27/11/2025 19:10

You can just see Daily Mail recalibrating , (judging by the comments on here)

Immigration down 70% but ...but...still too many single dark men coming !!

(and despite no real change in the amount of people leaving- just the numbers coming dramatically coming down, that's how fucking net works) The new headline will be-

Great White replacement, our best white people are leaving in their droves and being replaced by dark rapists !!

Fuck, I want to leave this country, its sick and broken.

and despite no real change in the amount of people leaving- just the numbers coming dramatically coming down, that's how fucking net works

Number of Britons leaving the UK higher than previously thought | Politics News | Sky News

The number of British nationals who left the UK last year has risen from 77,000 to 257,000, according to revised immigration statistics.

Timesquaredy · 27/11/2025 20:43

twistyizzy · 27/11/2025 14:33

Because who are more able to afford to move abroad? Low or high skilled? 🤔

There is no data to track the skills level of people leaving but it's pretty much common sense. We KNOW UK citizen doctors are leaving.

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That’s not really robust evidence though, is it?

averylongtimeago · 27/11/2025 19:36

Ilikeryebread · 27/11/2025 19:03

The young men I met at my language class (all from Africa who had been shipped to our local town after The jungle at Calais had been cleared a few years ago)

Are you serious? Are you saying Calais clearance of 'the jungle' (which very much still exists and always has, clearing away tents and makeshift homes once a month does little) a few years ago led to migrants getting 'shipped' to your local town. As in a coach came and picked them all up and they were all granted entry to the UK ? They aint illegal then .

I've heard everything on Mumsnet now.😆

At my language class in France.
Sorry if I didn’t make that clear. And I am well aware that the jungle still exists.
Having actually met some of the young men (and it was all young men) on their way to the uk I shared what I saw and heard. Sorry if you don’t like it!

SpottyAardvark · 27/11/2025 19:18

Excellent news. It’s a start, but there is still a very long way to go before ordinary people start to notice the difference as they go about their daily lives. In terms of the numbers of non British-born people in the country, we need to get back to the position of 20 years ago. Only then will the political situation start to change.

Ilikeryebread · 27/11/2025 19:10

You can just see Daily Mail recalibrating , (judging by the comments on here)

Immigration down 70% but ...but...still too many single dark men coming !!

(and despite no real change in the amount of people leaving- just the numbers coming dramatically coming down, that's how fucking net works) The new headline will be-

Great White replacement, our best white people are leaving in their droves and being replaced by dark rapists !!

Fuck, I want to leave this country, its sick and broken.

Ilikeryebread · 27/11/2025 19:03

averylongtimeago · 27/11/2025 14:29

If we are worried about a change in the demographics of the country and the falling birth rate, the UK needs to make it more attractive for its people to have children, especially well educated professionals. The cost of childcare is enormous, the cost of housing, lack of tax breaks for families this is all part of the reason for smaller families.
Yes we do need some immigration to fill gaps, we also need to work out how to keep home grown Drs ect here.

What we don’t need are thousands of ill educated young men who have a totally different culture and values and who only want to come to the uk because it’s seen as paved with gold that you don’t have to work for.
The young men I met at my language class (all from Africa who had been shipped to our local town after The jungle at Calais had been cleared a few years ago) told me when I asked why they didn’t want to stay in France (where they got more money from the government than they would in the uk at that time) that in the uk they would get lots of money, a house and a car from the government and a new wife, because English girls are easy.
Out of the 2 dozen who arrived, half had disappeared within weeks and out of the rest, almost all ended up being deported. Only one or two were prepared to do the work to learn the language and integrate.
They were not bad lads, all aged between mid teens to 30, but they had no transferable skills, and had a totally different mindset. Most wouldn’t speak to women and found the idea that women are equal shocking.

The young men I met at my language class (all from Africa who had been shipped to our local town after The jungle at Calais had been cleared a few years ago)

Are you serious? Are you saying Calais clearance of 'the jungle' (which very much still exists and always has, clearing away tents and makeshift homes once a month does little) a few years ago led to migrants getting 'shipped' to your local town. As in a coach came and picked them all up and they were all granted entry to the UK ? They aint illegal then .

I've heard everything on Mumsnet now.😆

smallglassbottle · 27/11/2025 17:05

Holluschickie · 27/11/2025 15:22

How would the small children get here?

With their mums presumably.

Ohthatsabitshit · 27/11/2025 17:03

percypiggy200 · 27/11/2025 16:00

There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that the people who are coming in and working as delivery drivers were actually neuroscientists in their own country and just waiting to get an appropriate job here. What the data actually says is that they are low skilled workers.

It says they are doing low skilled jobs NOT that they don’t have skills or professions. I would guess that the vast majority are not the lowliest. Those guys don’t escape or make the journey successfully because they don’t have the resources to do so.

Are the majority of immigrants refugees arriving in boats?

OneAmberFinch · 27/11/2025 16:52

TeenagersAngst · 27/11/2025 16:27

I'm not sure which of my posts you are commenting on?

I think the Dublin agreement is often quoted as the anti-Brexit 'gotcha' - but as far as I'm aware, we didn't use it nearly as much as people might have imagined pre-Brexit. And EU countries are all struggling with immigration so it's clearly not as easy as sending everyone back to the first country they arrived in.

I find the inter-European squabbling over this very strange. The solution clearly can't be that it's a zero sum game, there's a fixed number of people who just arrive on the coasts and the issue is one of redistribution between the countries after having accepted this inevitability...

DropHopStop · 27/11/2025 16:52

Timesquaredy · 27/11/2025 14:08

I’m actively taking steps to emigrate because this country isn’t one I want my kids to grow up in anymore. The public sector is decimated, our once thriving city centre is a complete shithole and it feels like the whole country is full of small minded, isolationist racists. I’m trying to get out before it implodes, and we’re taking our tax payments with us.

Me too!

TeenagersAngst · 27/11/2025 16:29

nearlylovemyusername · 27/11/2025 16:16

Believe it or not but I know about this.

The question was how would women and children migrants get here without men. So I answered with the example of Ukrainian refugees, who managed just fine.

To be fair, Ukraine was set up as a legal route so people could come here through airports etc.

People coming on boats can't do this - hence the calls for 'safe and legal routes'.

EasternStandard · 27/11/2025 16:29

Crikeyalmighty · 27/11/2025 16:20

@TeenagersAngst could that be though because of the Dublin agreement which meant as part of EU we had the right of send back - something people forget about - when we were in Denmark they used this and did a ton of repatriations of people regularly who had arrived without appropriate visas -

It’s not a ‘ton’ anywhere in that agreement. Hence ROI, Germany and others having the same issues. The numbers are very low for everyone.

TeenagersAngst · 27/11/2025 16:27

Crikeyalmighty · 27/11/2025 16:20

@TeenagersAngst could that be though because of the Dublin agreement which meant as part of EU we had the right of send back - something people forget about - when we were in Denmark they used this and did a ton of repatriations of people regularly who had arrived without appropriate visas -

I'm not sure which of my posts you are commenting on?

I think the Dublin agreement is often quoted as the anti-Brexit 'gotcha' - but as far as I'm aware, we didn't use it nearly as much as people might have imagined pre-Brexit. And EU countries are all struggling with immigration so it's clearly not as easy as sending everyone back to the first country they arrived in.

LidlAmaretto · 27/11/2025 16:26

Holluschickie · 27/11/2025 13:52

The new immigration rules recently announced by Shabana Mahmood suggest extending time to get ILR from 5 years to 10 years for most, but reducing it to 3 years for high earners and keeping it at 5 for doctors and nurses.
So rules to attract the rich and high skilled are already in place.
It's another matter that few high earners will want to come here and give up most of their income in tax. And you can't stop people leaving.

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But they're are doctors and nurses trained in the UK who can't get jobs because of worldwide recruitment into the NHS. Its one of the reasons for the doctors strikes. We've trained these people at huge expense then they can't get jobs. Minimum wage jobs being done by immigrants mean no minimum wage jobs for British young people starting out, students needing to too up their loans, people who need pay time work, young peolle who need work excoriating, and yes, people who decide they would rather not work but should be made to. We cannot continue importing people we then have to pay more benefits to. This was Boris Johnson doing and the whole ' Boriswave' will be eligible for benefits this year.

peanutbuttertoasty · 27/11/2025 16:25

And quality control....? Numbers aren't everything.

Crikeyalmighty · 27/11/2025 16:20

@TeenagersAngst could that be though because of the Dublin agreement which meant as part of EU we had the right of send back - something people forget about - when we were in Denmark they used this and did a ton of repatriations of people regularly who had arrived without appropriate visas -

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