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BIossomtoes · 05/12/2025 16:09

Julen7 · 05/12/2025 16:07

It isn’t the Telegraph, it’s the Centre for Justice’s “workings” you are arguing against.

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It’s not. I’ve read the CoJ report in its entirety and invited someone who made the same assertion as you to tell me which page the “workings” are on. Tumbleweed. Because they’re not there. Of course if you can find them and post a link …

Julen7 · 05/12/2025 16:07

BIossomtoes · 05/12/2025 15:44

I didn’t forget and I will continue to post it until you acknowledge that the Telegraph’s “workings” are bollocks. Every time you repeat it I’ll post it.

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It isn’t the Telegraph, it’s the Centre for Justice’s “workings” you are arguing against.

BIossomtoes · 05/12/2025 15:44

TeenagersAngst · 05/12/2025 15:28

Yup, him again. I think @BIossomtoesforgot she already posted that nonsense.

I didn’t forget and I will continue to post it until you acknowledge that the Telegraph’s “workings” are bollocks. Every time you repeat it I’ll post it.

Upstartled · 05/12/2025 15:30

NorthXNorthWest · 05/12/2025 15:15

laziness, learned helplessness, entitlement... take your pick

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We really need a sarcasm emoji 😁

TeenagersAngst · 05/12/2025 15:28

Yup, him again. I think @BIossomtoesforgot she already posted that nonsense.

Julen7 · 05/12/2025 15:25

BIossomtoes · 05/12/2025 15:13

It’s not true though. It’s a media confection.

https://benefitsinthefuture.com/lies-damned-lies-and-the-telegraph/

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Oh God not Gareth Morgan again.

NorthXNorthWest · 05/12/2025 15:15

Upstartled · 05/12/2025 09:12

Why would some people choose to lounge about the house all day, smoking weed? Is this a trick question?

laziness, learned helplessness, entitlement... take your pick

BIossomtoes · 05/12/2025 15:13

TeenagersAngst · 05/12/2025 11:41

Only when it’s true.

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It’s not true though. It’s a media confection.

https://benefitsinthefuture.com/lies-damned-lies-and-the-telegraph/

TeenagersAngst · 05/12/2025 11:41

feistyoneyouare · 05/12/2025 11:23

Do you believe everything you read?

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Only when it’s true.

feistyoneyouare · 05/12/2025 11:23

TeenagersAngst · 02/12/2025 14:30

It isn't bloody absurd. Some research was put out recently showing that to match the income of a three-child household on benefits would require pre-tax earnings of approx £70k.

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Do you believe everything you read?

JustAnotherView · 05/12/2025 10:36

francy99 · 05/12/2025 08:47

I don’t understand why people would think living on benefits is a lifestyle choice or a nice way to live. My parents neighbours have a couple of sons who are in their 30’s. Neither work (one has been in trouble with the police), they both smoke weed, neither can drive or afford to run a car, neither look like they have nice clothes and neither do anything. Such a boring existence. In contrast to my kids who both got an apprenticeship after school and are now in full time employment. Both learnt to drive, both have a car and both have a great social life and are able to go out when they want, buy things whenever they want and go on holidays and visit places. I know which lifestyle I would choose.

You obviously would not chose that life but, at least from the information provided, it seems that they have chosen it. (Which answers your question - different people have different values and preferences)

Upstartled · 05/12/2025 09:12

Why would some people choose to lounge about the house all day, smoking weed? Is this a trick question?

francy99 · 05/12/2025 08:47

I don’t understand why people would think living on benefits is a lifestyle choice or a nice way to live. My parents neighbours have a couple of sons who are in their 30’s. Neither work (one has been in trouble with the police), they both smoke weed, neither can drive or afford to run a car, neither look like they have nice clothes and neither do anything. Such a boring existence. In contrast to my kids who both got an apprenticeship after school and are now in full time employment. Both learnt to drive, both have a car and both have a great social life and are able to go out when they want, buy things whenever they want and go on holidays and visit places. I know which lifestyle I would choose.

surreygirly · 03/12/2025 13:01

isitactuallybadthough · 26/11/2025 18:31

NC’d for obvious reasons.

I mean it seems that they’re trying to help the working class?

I am not on benefits. I’m also not lucky enough to live in a property worth over £2,000,000. But surely the worst off in society will be better off under this? With the energy bill cut and two child benefit scrap? Also books for libraries, national wage increases. I do understand people feeling frustrated at the pension/ISA parts, that will probably affect DH and I but overall I’m pleased as the worst off will be slightly less worse off?

I guess you do not own a business

Julen7 · 03/12/2025 12:06

TonTonMacoute · 03/12/2025 10:38

Fair but hugely damaging.

From the Times today
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Rachel Reeves’s decision to raise taxes to the highest level on record will constrain economic growth for years and deter people from saving, earning more money and taking the risk of becoming entrepreneurs, leading economists have warned.

The leading economists being the OECD. They go on to predict that both inflation and unemployment will continue to rise, but as long as it's 'fair' eh?

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Not fair then, I would argue.

EasternStandard · 03/12/2025 11:58

TonTonMacoute · 03/12/2025 10:38

Fair but hugely damaging.

From the Times today
^^
Rachel Reeves’s decision to raise taxes to the highest level on record will constrain economic growth for years and deter people from saving, earning more money and taking the risk of becoming entrepreneurs, leading economists have warned.

The leading economists being the OECD. They go on to predict that both inflation and unemployment will continue to rise, but as long as it's 'fair' eh?

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Was it fair anyway? The tax banding is the bulk of the tax hike and that hits middle earners.

Agree with the rest btw

TonTonMacoute · 03/12/2025 10:38

Ambridgefan · 01/12/2025 22:16

No you are not the only one who thinks the budget was a fair one.

Fair but hugely damaging.

From the Times today
^^
Rachel Reeves’s decision to raise taxes to the highest level on record will constrain economic growth for years and deter people from saving, earning more money and taking the risk of becoming entrepreneurs, leading economists have warned.

The leading economists being the OECD. They go on to predict that both inflation and unemployment will continue to rise, but as long as it's 'fair' eh?

Julen7 · 02/12/2025 16:12

BIossomtoes · 02/12/2025 15:31

It didn’t say that.

https://benefitsinthefuture.com/lies-damned-lies-and-the-telegraph/

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Gareth Morgan (not sure who he is) is comparing apples with oranges.

TeenagersAngst · 02/12/2025 16:08

@blossomtoes

It did say that. The link you provided seems to take issue with comparing two families where one might be different to the other. That's a pretty weak rejection of the figures. It also shouldn't even be a discussion that we are having.

“For example, an out-of-work family with three children receiving the average Universal Credit housing element, health benefits and PIP is projected to take home around £46,000 a year by 2026/27. For the smaller number of families with five children, that figure rises to £55,000. These households are insulated from the overall benefit cap because two in five families previously subject to the limit are in receipt of health-related payments. That compares with the £28,000 take-home earnings of a family where one adult is working full-time, and another part-time, on the national living wage.”
Here, we assume, are two families identical in every respect except that one family is working and one family is not. The working family is paid at National Living Wage levels and so is not amongst the highest paid.
That’s a dramatic difference and seems to justify their criticism of the benefits system.
After all, these are families in the same circumstances which is why the comparison is justified.
The same circumstances … except …
… the family on benefits have three children
… the family on benefits have disabilities
… the family on benefits are paying rent.
Perhaps not the most obvious comparison."

BIossomtoes · 02/12/2025 15:31

TeenagersAngst · 02/12/2025 14:30

It isn't bloody absurd. Some research was put out recently showing that to match the income of a three-child household on benefits would require pre-tax earnings of approx £70k.

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It didn’t say that.

https://benefitsinthefuture.com/lies-damned-lies-and-the-telegraph/

Lies, Damned Lies and the Telegraph – Benefits in the Future

https://benefitsinthefuture.com/lies-damned-lies-and-the-telegraph/

TeenagersAngst · 02/12/2025 14:30

feistyoneyouare · 01/12/2025 22:15

Because most people get paid more for working. Don't be so bloody absurd.

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It isn't bloody absurd. Some research was put out recently showing that to match the income of a three-child household on benefits would require pre-tax earnings of approx £70k.

TeenagersAngst · 02/12/2025 14:25

Rollercoaster1920 · 01/12/2025 20:12

Yet again tax had been made more complicated. We really need a mass simplification of this mess.

Scrap NI and merge with income tax.
Scrap salary sacrifice schemes.
Scrap government funded nursery hours.
Scrap child benefit.
Scrap the loss of personal allowance.
Dividend is income.

Keep it simple. Earn more, keep more. No cliff edges, simpler enforcement.

You can simplify tax without removing many incentives to work more.

LBFseBrom · 01/12/2025 23:46

I don't think the budget is bad, working families and pensioners will do best out of it from what i've read.

The wealthy, which includes rich pensioners, will lose a bit.

I'm an average pensioner and it will make little difference to me. I'm content for myself.

You can't please all the people all of the time.

Ambridgefan · 01/12/2025 22:16

No you are not the only one who thinks the budget was a fair one.

feistyoneyouare · 01/12/2025 22:15

Mrsnothingthanks · 28/11/2025 22:31

Why bother going to work when you get paid more for doing nothing?

Because most people get paid more for working. Don't be so bloody absurd.