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Extra tax for landlords

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Another2356 · 26/11/2025 18:24

Here is the rub, I earnt my money through PAYE and paid tax, I then invested what I earnt into property and now my investment is being taxed again but at a higher rate of tax! This does not feel fair and whilst in the past I’ve provided property at below market rates, moving forward I will not. Adjustments will now be made and hence again tenants will be impacted. Over the last 9 years, any rent increases I have made have simply covered the extra cost of managing a rental (tax, regulation & maintenance) my net profit has not increased, although the rents have. It’s the government who are creating the rent increase problems.

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DyslexicPoster · 28/11/2025 19:58

In my home town landlords are buying every terraced victorian house and making 3 bed house into 5 room hmo's. Every house on my old street is a HMO so someone is buying 120 year old houses and making lots of money in the process.

HellsBalls · 28/11/2025 16:55

Chersfrozenface · 28/11/2025 12:51

You can check what properties Lloyds and Grainger are renting out on their websites.

They are all whole developments or parts of developments.

https://www.lloydsliving.co.uk/

https://www.graingerplc.co.uk/

Exactly. They are not buying up 100+ year old housing stock, with all the associated liabilities. Also, if the government bring in the minimum EPC rating of ‘C’ by 2030, those solid wall houses are going to difficult to shift, unless priced accordingly.

Maggiethecat · 28/11/2025 15:52

I increase rent every other year. Last time I increased it by 6%, tenant was not happy but I stuck by it.
Kept rent the same this year but will
increase it next year.

NoKidsSendDogs · 28/11/2025 15:49

Maggiethecat · 28/11/2025 02:27

I believe that the RRA becomes effective 5/26. Until
then your current tenancy agreement will apply so I would check if it allows rent increases. Even if not and if you do not agree with a proposed increase your L/L can serve a s13 for an increase. This is the tool that your L/L would likely have used if you had objected to the previous annual increases and your contract didn’t provide for increases.

Under the RRA, it doesn’t matter what your contract says, all
increases are triggered by a s13 notice. The tenant can challenge the increase but the tribunal will consider market rents in its decision which will be lower than or the same as the proposed rent but not higher.

Thanks for clarifying.

DyslexicPoster · 28/11/2025 14:37

Charging below market rent isn't benevolent. If you have a good Tennant your better off keeping them. Say you put up your £1000 pm rent up by 10% but you have a churn of Tennants, one months void is your 10% gone. But you also need to paint, maybe replace carpets, deep clean. It's never a month, it's more void than that. Staying under market rate is good business overall where everyone wins.

New tenancies absolutely never go on under market value. It's if they stay, I dont put the rent up every year. But I was also doing this direct not via a agent so that's another saving to both landlord and Tennant.

If I was absolutely mad and did decide to rent my house out again I'd go for the top rent I could possibly get after all the recent changes. But long term tennants change things a lot. It's very different res letting every 12-24 months than for every 5 years plus.

PodMom · 28/11/2025 13:07

Chersfrozenface · 26/11/2025 18:44

If there will be fewer rental properties, what is going to happen to those other properties that were previously rented out? Will they go 'poof' and vanish?

Well hopefully they’ll be bought by people for a family home and long term maybe house prices will fall which will benefit ftb. Because landlords won’t be hoovering up properties.

However there’s a risk they’ll be snapped up my professional landlords who have a company set up and don’t pay income tax?

but I think there are two main issues. Firstly most landlords will just put rent up so it’s the tenant who suffers. But also if there will ultimately be less rental properties available Let’s remember not all renters are people saving to get on the property ladder. Renting suits a large amount of people such as those knowing they won’t stay in a specific location long term. Then there are people who no matter how much property prices fall are never going to get a mortgage of any amount due to not working, etc. what are they going to do?

Bambamhoohoo · 28/11/2025 13:00

UniDaysAcoming · 28/11/2025 10:01

Oh the winners are the banks all the way. Lloyds have a wing that has been buying up street after street of rental properties.
This envy of landlords has been played on by the govt.
Now Lloyds will be the countries biggest landlord.. and hell will freeze over before they start worrying about their tenants.

Edited to add link - https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/nov/10/lloyds-the-landlord-how-the-bank-quietly-became-a-big-rental-property-player

Edited

While there is a future threat from these players (a threat that has been active and up and down for over a decade) they are small players currently.

your link says Lloyd’s owns 7,000 units- a recent google puts this at 5,000z

none the less, a large housing association has >100,000 units.

it’s not a particularly attractive market for them to be honest, and profit making corporate landlords are starting to realise it’s a lot of work for little return. I wouldn’t be surprised if they start to withdraw rather than grow.

Chersfrozenface · 28/11/2025 12:51

Plantatreetoday · 28/11/2025 12:30

Like I said some are. A relative sold there’s to one.

the big companies …I don’t know
I wouldn’t bother checking them as it’s £7 per LReg checks so why would I 😂

You can check what properties Lloyds and Grainger are renting out on their websites.

They are all whole developments or parts of developments.

https://www.lloydsliving.co.uk/

https://www.graingerplc.co.uk/

Plantatreetoday · 28/11/2025 12:30

HellsBalls · 28/11/2025 07:33

You’ll have to post some evidence that Grainger, Lloyd’s or Blackstone own Victorian terraces in Hartlepool or Stockton or Derby.

Like I said some are. A relative sold there’s to one.

the big companies …I don’t know
I wouldn’t bother checking them as it’s £7 per LReg checks so why would I 😂

Northquit · 28/11/2025 10:28

QuantoDevoPagare · 26/11/2025 19:25

No but they will be occupied at a lower density rate so overall less homes will be available.

And unless measures are taken to force lenders to grant mortgages to people many people who used rent won't be able to buy and could risk being homeless.

HMO solves that problem and allows councils to impose additional costs and burdens to landlords.

UniDaysAcoming · 28/11/2025 10:01

Oh the winners are the banks all the way. Lloyds have a wing that has been buying up street after street of rental properties.
This envy of landlords has been played on by the govt.
Now Lloyds will be the countries biggest landlord.. and hell will freeze over before they start worrying about their tenants.

Edited to add link - https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/nov/10/lloyds-the-landlord-how-the-bank-quietly-became-a-big-rental-property-player

Liondoesntsleepatnight · 28/11/2025 09:52

Oh and my property would make an excellent HMO, well located for commuting, ample parking, so likely a company will buy it and move 6 people in, that will piss the neighbors off. I’m making a loss due to BTL mortgage rates, I pay all taxes due on rent payments and I will have to pay 26% capital gains tax.

No idea where the family that rent the property will live because there’s very few rentals in the area and they have DC in schools here.

The winners will either be the banks through mortgage interest if people buy to live in or the corporations. The corporations will have email address for reporting issues and every thing will be basic.

Notmycircusnotmyotter · 28/11/2025 09:21

I'm selling up. It's just not worth it anymore. My BtL mortgage is double what it was. Regulations are incredibly onerous. I've had bad luck with tenants not paying or trashing the place. As soon as this tenant leaves I'll sell, at auction if need be.

outdooryone · 28/11/2025 09:10

Another2356 · 26/11/2025 18:24

Here is the rub, I earnt my money through PAYE and paid tax, I then invested what I earnt into property and now my investment is being taxed again but at a higher rate of tax! This does not feel fair and whilst in the past I’ve provided property at below market rates, moving forward I will not. Adjustments will now be made and hence again tenants will be impacted. Over the last 9 years, any rent increases I have made have simply covered the extra cost of managing a rental (tax, regulation & maintenance) my net profit has not increased, although the rents have. It’s the government who are creating the rent increase problems.

There is a reason I sold up my BTL* a few years back. The writing has been on the wall for about a decade in my view. I am in Scotland, so we already had much tighter rules about lettings.

I know a good few landlords, including one with 10 student properties in a city, who have over the last few years when it was clear Labour were going to win, have slowly been selling up and investing elsewhere.

1457bloom · 28/11/2025 08:40

This budget was the final nail in the coffin for the BTL business. You are better off investing in shares through a SIPP and ISA now.

InterestQ · 28/11/2025 08:34

HellsBalls · 26/11/2025 21:14

Are there any landlords on mumsnet who actually charge the going rate?
Or is every one of them selflessly benevolent?

Yes - mine goes on at the market rate every time a tenant leaves. But once the tenant is in, I don’t raise the rent. So the longer they stay the better value it is.

This means I hope my tenant leaves when this AST is up next year as otherwise I’ll have to break my rule and increase it and it pisses me off.

The license (that our genius Chancellor “forgot”), the increased buildings insurance plus various other fees (the other fees I don’t mind), new floor because she (tenant not Rachel Reeves) left the bath running on a phone call, the ceiling for the downstairs flat being repainted etc etc.

I keep the flat in case I divorce. But it’s not the money spinner people think.

Swiftie1878 · 28/11/2025 08:33

Rents will go up, that is the one certainty in all this. Lots will be evicted before then though, before they introduce an end to ‘no fault’ evictions. Well done, Labour.

Liondoesntsleepatnight · 28/11/2025 08:27

I am making a loss on my rental but still pay tax on the rental payments. Mortgage payments don’t count towards costs that are deducted. I’m selling and also paying capital gains tax. It’s not a wise investment anymore

GentleOlive · 28/11/2025 08:24

Now let’s all watch rents get even higher. And the Turkeys who voted for this Xmas complaining even more profusely without realising what they’ve done to themselves.

curious79 · 28/11/2025 08:00

This government has taxed us into lack of productivity. A friend who rents out a property is now going from five days a week to 4 days a week in her job because she makes more money with her job and the rental property that way.

TeenagersAngst · 28/11/2025 07:59

HellsBalls · 28/11/2025 07:28

Yep. Big miss from the government on this one. No idea why this loophole wasn’t closed.

What loophole? Section 24 introduced in 2016 disallows mortgage interest to be claimed as a business expense.

It’s mad because for all other purposes, landlords are treated as if they run a business.

For some small landlords, it means 100% plus of their profits are paid in tax. So they sell and rents go up.

If people want homelessness while the government sits in its arse not building social housing then fine. Because that’s what we’ve got.

InNewYorkNoShoes · 28/11/2025 07:36

Chersfrozenface · 26/11/2025 19:04

So there won't be fewer rental properties.

But it will be worse and more expensive for the renter!

HellsBalls · 28/11/2025 07:33

Plantatreetoday · 28/11/2025 02:59

Some are
They are buying from desperate sellers that can’t shift older rental stock
They buy at a reduced price and build their portfolios

Standard houses, flats etc

You’ll have to post some evidence that Grainger, Lloyd’s or Blackstone own Victorian terraces in Hartlepool or Stockton or Derby.

HellsBalls · 28/11/2025 07:28

Peridoteage · 28/11/2025 06:37

Why should you be allowed to deduct mortgage interest? No one else buying a house is.

Mortgage interest deductions allow landlords to lever up more than owner occupiers and enables landlords to outbid owner occupiers. Its obvious why it should be removed, its to remove the advantage from landlords over owner occupiers.

Yep. Big miss from the government on this one. No idea why this loophole wasn’t closed.

GrabbyCF · 28/11/2025 06:59

HoskinsChoice · 26/11/2025 18:34

You own multiple properties. Half the country can't afford to own one. So yes, it is appropriate that you pay more tax. That's how society works. Spend a bit of time counting your blessings instead of the rent your taking in.

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