To be delighted PIP assessments are to be face to face?

Oh, and it will cost more to implement than it will save

These threads are where all the absolute horrors come to play. It will be them or theirs one day who need help. But the stupid is strong

So glad I don’t know any vile ghouls like the ones on display here

YABU.

It's not going to stop those who game the system from still gaming it, but it will most likely affect genuine people who struggle, but try to present a front.

I find those who are genuinely disabled would rather focus on what they can do, which is the opposite of what you're meant to do to get dla.

Whereas those gaming the system are quite happy to lay it on thick and lie.

You dont have to have a diagnosis to get pip/dla. It's how it affects you in your daily life. I know several people who get it with no diagnosis, no f2f, it just went on what they put in the form, which they'd paid someone to fill in. This way, they had to 'right' answers, and got full awards.

But people never do, do they? For obvious reasons.

I honestly don’t understand it either.

i don’t think she’s aware of this. She talks as though she’s okay for another year.

I agree about the length of time.

It was stressful enough as my son was in hospital and it was made worse by not only having the decision dragged out but also financially, having access to it earlier would've really helped too.

Isn't it just?

I'm wondering this. I have tried to find this oh so exciting news story - 🙄but I can't find ANYthing about it. A pp said it's not new news, and that Labour said many months back that new claimants will have assessments, but old ones won't. (I could be wrong, it was something like that, aplogies if I have got it wrong.)

It seems to me that this is a thread started to berate and frighten and worry people who may be on PIP now, or may be claiming it in the near future, or is in the process of doing it now. Nothing like a bit of fake news to whip up a storm and a bit of benefit bashing eh?! I am assuming fake news as I can't find ANYthing to back up the OP's claims of this news. If someone does do this, and show me it is true (and it happened in the budget today,) I shall apologise (for saying 'fake news,' not for anything else!)

And colour me shocked! The OP is a one post plopper, and hasn't even been arsed to return to her (goady) thread...

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It is not that low. They do not have the surveillance and staff and funding necessary to really investigate how common it is. Some countries that also offer benefits like Sweden use far more surveillance and other means to detect fraud and their figures are considerably higher. I do not buy for a minute that British people are just particularly honest unlike those fraudulent Swedes.I do know what’s involved btw as I have helped many people to complete the forms. There doesn’t seem to be a lot of consistency with the current system imo.

Likewise there are also a considerable number of people out there who should be receiving it and don’t.

I do think that this could be a good thing in some respects but that’s assuming that staff are going to be professional. (I appreciate that many are but not all) and fair.

Other changes need to be made too. The length of time that people wait for a decision is ridiculous for one. That long stressful wait is cruel and isn’t exactly going to help anyone’s mental health.

My disability is completely invisible and I know the same goes for many others with my condition. So it makes no difference to do it face to face or on the phone for people like me, but face to face will certainly cost them a lot more.

this is insane

So you reported them I assume?

I can promise, 100%, that this is absolutely legitimate. I don’t make things up to troll threads and I’m offended you think this is a fabrication.

I appreciate it sounds so far ‘out there’ as not to be true, but it is. And yes, it upsets me greatly.

I’m just applying to move DS from dla to pip. We have reports from 7 medical professionals, school, his EHCP and his recent ed psych report.

Who exactly would benefit from putting him through the stress of a face to face with someone who knows nothing about him?

What about people already claiming, will they have a face to face too?

Depends where you are in the system. Claimants, genuine or otherwise will face an assessor who has a financial interest in ensuring the claimant doesn't get the money they need. The people paying tax from wages have been pitted against the poor and disabled, so it gives them a sense of justice to know they're being crutinised and humiliated.

The claimant, who may be so anxious they begin to experience suicidal ideation before the assessment, or crying because they know a long journey or having a stranger in their home could create physical pain or severe mental discomfort, is less likely to be happy to have their situation satisfy the bloodlust of those who despise them and are determined to see them tripped them up on every word, when those in need are frightened to begin with.

There will always be cheats, bit those who don't need support should realise that if every person was stripped of sickness benefits, the government is unlikely to pass savings on to the rest of the population in any meaningful way.

That poster won't report the woman. These posters never do. As @Everlore said, it's funny how they always know someone who has £4383 a month in benefits, has a La Cornue Château Range in her kitchen, has 7 iphones, a top of the range BMW XM, a 5 bed detached house (funded by housing benefits,) and 5 kids who she claims off the dads for, and goes to food banks getting £300 of food a week.

She has just returned from a trek on the Inca trail in Peru too, and has recently booked a trip to Mount Everest, costing (the taxpayer!) £28,000. Oh, she has chanel perfume, and all her food from Fortnum and Mason, and her kids all go to private school. Funded by taxpayers of course.

Funny how so many posters on here know someone like this. I have never met a soul who is on benefits, and living a life like the Beckhams, and LOADS better off than people who are working...(as so many posters on here claim.

Ah the benefit bash of the day.

Same boat here.

My DD will completely lose her shit when faced with this. She has GDD and mentally functions around 18 months old and is non verbal.

She gets really violent towards strangers but mainly towards me and her dad when faced with situations like this. Like biting and pulling our hair, hitting with all her might.

I can't wait.

That would be excellent advice if the person actually existed but, since she is definitely a Daily-Mail styled bogeyman conjured up by this poster to whip up yet more hatred of disability benefits claimants, I think reporting her might prove difficult. The same goes for the other, allegedly real, examples of flagrant benefits fraud being recounted on this and other threads. I would be astounded if a single one were actually real!

This isn't a new announcement. DWP have said for over a year that they want to increase face to face assessments but they don't have the capacity to do this. As well as new PIP claims there is still a long wait for those existing claimants to be reassessed. It is the same with Work Capability Assessments. It might be better to improve the quality of the assessments so that more correct decisions are made saving money spent on appeals 70% of which are successful,

I agree this is a good thing. I help a lot of people to claim PIP and I often think the decision would have been different if the assessor could have seen them face to face. Prior to covid in my area they were all done via home visits from the assessors.

Report her

A lot of home visits would be needed for people unable to travel to an assessment centre. That would cost a lot. Perhaps the idea of having to attempt to travel would put people off applying.