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Absolutely rinsed in this budget - almost £1k a year worse off.

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Mushroo · 26/11/2025 13:43

Honestly in despair at this government. On a very high level calc, we are so much worse off!

We both pay a lot into pensions, so the NI change is about £700 a year worse off.

We have an EV car, so based on our 4k a year mileage, it’s about £120 a year. (Although how it will be enforced I have no idea).

Stagnating tax thresholds, probably about £100 a year between us.

Council tax F house (4 bed end terrace, not a mansion, needs renovating). So risk of revaluation after having paid a fortune in stamp duty. We didn’t get first time buyer stamp duty relief because we bought about 2 years too early, and we moved before Covid so no relief there either. So overall we’ve paid about £30k in stamp duty already over our lifetime.

Weve already had the private school hit (which is a separate debate and we’ve accepted that) but wow, we are just being kicked on all sides.

We are classic ‘middle earners’ - earn about £70k each, but have mahoosive mortgage and pay over £2k a month in nursery fees already.

Every measure just seems to have a negative effect on our lifestyle, which is ‘comfortable’ but increasingly squeezed.

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Agrumpyknitter · 27/11/2025 14:10

Well I was worse off under Liz Truss and the Tory government by £3400 a year. Do we not remember when she crashed the economy and our mortgages went up? So not so bad this time around under Labour.

I would actually prefer that Labour made companies their fair share of Corporation tax. Look at Caffè Nero they pay little to no corporation tax in the UK like Amazon, Apple, Google, Facebook, eBay, Microsoft. We should boycott these companies until they pay their share in the U.K. These companies have their power, the money to lobby governments because we give it to them. Time for collective action against them or no UK market.

Cosyblankets · 27/11/2025 14:08

Mildura · 27/11/2025 10:26

Have they claimed that they bought the current house as a FTB?

The OP says missed out on FTB relief because bought at the wrong time.
So i understand that to mean they were FTB

Jarstastic · 27/11/2025 14:00

Jffs · 27/11/2025 10:06

In all honesty I feel the same. I was a single mum earning £300 a month when I left the kids’ dad. I got a full time job (whilst caring for a 2&3 yr old) and bought a knackered - and I mean knackered, mid-terrace 75sq m house one year before the stamp duty threshold moved. £1400 of my £10k reno budget in tax (when the house would eventually cost me £35k to do up). Over ten years I’ve done it up and in that time I’ve worked my ass off and am now on £69k gross a year. I’ve missed the threshold changes each time. I’ve paid higher rate tax since earning £45k and I’ve lost my child benefit since earning £50k. I receive £3700 a month now but I work over 60 hour weeks and barely have time to manage my life and kids. My team knock off at 5pm and go home and whilst I’m on a lot more than them, when you take into account the extortionate tax I pay, the real difference isn’t that much, and I have all the stress and responsibility of being a senior manager for my few hundred quid extra a month.
We can’t afford to move to a bigger house now the kids are teens and I have a husband because a four bed is now over £500k. I’m still financially responsible for my two teens and there’s honestly not a lot left at the end of the month. I’m socialist and do believe we should support those worse off but the government are just taking the piss now out of the squeezed middle.
The ones with all the money are the cash in hand builders plumbers and electricians! My electrician is always off to go diving in warm climates.

Off topic but if your electrician is going off on holidays funded by working cash in hand change your electrician (and report him to HMRC)
if someone works cash in hand, don’t engage them!!

It’s not that easy for honest tradesmen. (One electrician I know folded business and working for a facilities management company.) engage them.

Benjithedog · 27/11/2025 13:43

Widow90210 · 27/11/2025 13:35

Not at all, I said in my post I was in that position. I'm worse off (a lot) by this budget but it still makes sence to me. We need to increase the coffers, the fact I'm worse off doesn't mean I'm against it. Someone's got to pay for it.
There's a saying that says if you're not doing well vote for a better life for yourself, if you're doing okay vote for a better lofe for others. I'm doing okay but I choose to live in a society that supports us all and I'm aware that there's a cost to that.

You are in no position to tell ANYONE they. deserve to be squeezed. You don’t know people’s financial situation and your comment is incredibly ignorant

Winter2020 · 27/11/2025 13:42

Bambamhoohoo · 27/11/2025 13:27

OP is saying (and the poster is quoting) that she is paying an extra £1k a year tax. Not that that’s all she pays

I realise that but to say "1k out of your 140k income" is misrepresenting the truth. If anything it's 1 k out of the 102k remaining income (after already paying 38k tax).

CurlewKate · 27/11/2025 13:38

jbm16 · 27/11/2025 12:54

How do you know that, no guarantee it's spent on food or heating, could be spent on anything... If it was given in the form of vouchers then I would be more inclined to agree.

Because the vast majority of people care about their children. Even poor/disadvantaged people.

Widow90210 · 27/11/2025 13:35

Benjithedog · 27/11/2025 12:20

Someone has to pay for it as long as it’s not you?

Not at all, I said in my post I was in that position. I'm worse off (a lot) by this budget but it still makes sence to me. We need to increase the coffers, the fact I'm worse off doesn't mean I'm against it. Someone's got to pay for it.
There's a saying that says if you're not doing well vote for a better life for yourself, if you're doing okay vote for a better lofe for others. I'm doing okay but I choose to live in a society that supports us all and I'm aware that there's a cost to that.

Widow90210 · 27/11/2025 13:34

Not at all, I said in my post I was in that position. I'm worse off (a lot) by this budget but it still makes sence to me. We need to increase the coffers, the fact I'm worse off doesn't mean I'm against it. Someone's got to pay for it.
There's a saying that says if you're not doing well vote for a better life for yourself, if you're doing okay vote for a better lofe for others. I'm doing okay but I choose to live in a society that supports us all and I'm aware that there's a cost to that.

Bambamhoohoo · 27/11/2025 13:27

Winter2020 · 27/11/2025 13:14

People on this thread have quoted take home for OPs income as 8.5k each month.

8.5 k each month over 12 months is £102k - so OP I already paying 38k in tax.
38k out of 140k and 1k more making it 39k out of 140k income.

Certainly not 1k out of 140k income.

OP is saying (and the poster is quoting) that she is paying an extra £1k a year tax. Not that that’s all she pays

Bambamhoohoo · 27/11/2025 13:26

jbm16 · 27/11/2025 13:05

Why? In this context they are payrolled employees of the umbrella company, I have seen few companies that support it as part of their payroll process.

The whole system is a joke, making them pay all the employment costs, apprentice levy etc.

It closed the loophole of self employed contractors setting up a limited company, paying themselves £10k a year salary and taking the rest as dividends at corporation tax rates rather than paying income tax.

Crikeyalmighty · 27/11/2025 13:22

Bambamhoohoo · 27/11/2025 12:12

Very few people are planning on moving abroad. Visas and languages aside, they’ll give up their salaried job here to get another one… where?!? Oh let me guess. The only answer to this is ever Dubai, good luck with that.

Thing is if they actually investigate they will find tax and ni an awful lot higher in most other places they might be able to get a job - and if not it will have other compromises, higher prices , pay for lots of services and nay find themselves no better off at all - we may well go to Sweden or Netherlands for 4 or 5 years but this is for business reasons, not for tax reasons and if anything will be a bit worse off , however other aspects balance it up for us -

Crikeyalmighty · 27/11/2025 13:14

GasPanic · 27/11/2025 12:28

Just speak english at half the speed and twice the volume.

@justteanbiscuits Sweden is an easy one on language and getting by , it was when we lived in Netherlands, depending what you do of course - 98% speak great English -several companies in the Danish business centre I was in conducted all their meetings in English too . However getting sponsorship into Sweden is not easy at all now , nor Denmark. Ha ha about half the speed twice the volume, def some truth in that

Winter2020 · 27/11/2025 13:14

bridgetreilly · 26/11/2025 23:01

Yeah, not sorry for people struggling to pay mahoosive mortgages for mahoosive houses on large salaries at all. You are exactly the sort of people who should be paying more tax. Less than £1k out of your £140k income? Cry me a river.

People on this thread have quoted take home for OPs income as 8.5k each month.

8.5 k each month over 12 months is £102k - so OP I already paying 38k in tax.
38k out of 140k and 1k more making it 39k out of 140k income.

Certainly not 1k out of 140k income.

Crikeyalmighty · 27/11/2025 13:11

jbm16 · 27/11/2025 12:54

How do you know that, no guarantee it's spent on food or heating, could be spent on anything... If it was given in the form of vouchers then I would be more inclined to agree.

Personally I would be looking at vouchers too, not useable on tobacco or booze and ID needing to be presented and vouchers given to the mother

Crikeyalmighty · 27/11/2025 13:08

FuckRealityBringMeABook · 27/11/2025 12:39

Here[s an idea. Pay more tax, build a nice society so that your kids can go to the nice, well-funded local primary, save the money you would have spent on private school.

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Ah that’s how it felt in Copenhagen when we lived there - the problem is here I don’t think so many people in the UK have the mentality for it - in Denmark as in Sweden the overall philosophy is janteloven, which partly means not wanting to seem it flash the fact you are ‘better’ than anyone else and equal opportunity’s for basics- be that childcare, education etc - that mentality just isn’t the thing here, people want that 4 bed detached on a new estate with bi folds and flash kitchen to show off to friends who can then see ‘how well you are doing’ I realise not everyone is like this but it’s an awful lot - this doesn’t mean you don’t get rich people in those places, you do, but it’s somewhat more understated and the general vibe was ‘everyone contributes’ - whilst tax is high, very high, you get more for it and most couples worked full time or as near as , as did single parents and that was the societal expectation from my experience - I rarely saw classes for toddlers and babies advertised etc - now some will not agree with this at all either but it certainly meant far less were claiming benefits as childcare was very affordable, and lots of good social housing too, however can you imagine the press here and even some mumsnetters
‘hard working people now paying 46% tax ( which includes social payments) however I don’t need nurseries or the NHS or well funded schools with after school care or plentiful semi rural buses ‘ etc etc - so I just see that headline figure - as I’ve said on other posts it seems to me plenty want scandi levels of services and social provision and yet Dubai levels of tax -

jbm16 · 27/11/2025 13:05

MeridaBrave · 27/11/2025 12:56

I’m a tax adviser and I’m also stumped at “salary sacrifice” using umbrella company as self employed person.

Why? In this context they are payrolled employees of the umbrella company, I have seen few companies that support it as part of their payroll process.

The whole system is a joke, making them pay all the employment costs, apprentice levy etc.

MeridaBrave · 27/11/2025 12:56

Bambamhoohoo · 27/11/2025 10:43

It’s not exactly it because we all know what an Umbrella company is and still cant understand your claim that it’s an extra £15k a year.

although he’s done bloody well to have been getting salary sacrifice as a self employed person maybe he should pat himself on the back as a the reward of all the effort he’s been putting into tax avoidance over the years - because salary sacrifice through an umbrella certainly wasn’t easy to arrange.

I’m a tax adviser and I’m also stumped at “salary sacrifice” using umbrella company as self employed person.

cannotmakedecisions · 27/11/2025 12:55

Mildura · 27/11/2025 12:19

If you'd read the thread, they haven't got kids in private school yet.

The OP claimed to have been stitched up by the changes to private schools, then admitted later that their child was in nursery but may / will go to a private school. That really doesn’t gain her any sympathy. If private schools are unaffordable, then use state like the majority of the country. If she lives in a band F house, then it’s a safe assumption that there will be good schools in the area. Or, they have the privilege to be able to move into the catchment of a good one.

jbm16 · 27/11/2025 12:54

CurlewKate · 27/11/2025 12:48

Well, it’ll be spent on the “actual children” because there’ll be more warmth, more food, less stress…..

How do you know that, no guarantee it's spent on food or heating, could be spent on anything... If it was given in the form of vouchers then I would be more inclined to agree.

CurlewKate · 27/11/2025 12:48

jbm16 · 27/11/2025 12:07

How do you know it will make any difference to the actual children? puts more money in their parents pocket, but no guarantee the children actually see any benefit.

If you are on the poverty line and can't support 2 children, perhaps don't have a 3rd...

Well, it’ll be spent on the “actual children” because there’ll be more warmth, more food, less stress…..

FuckRealityBringMeABook · 27/11/2025 12:39

Here[s an idea. Pay more tax, build a nice society so that your kids can go to the nice, well-funded local primary, save the money you would have spent on private school.

Annoyeddd · 27/11/2025 12:39

Bambamhoohoo · 27/11/2025 12:17

All the British people I know who have moved to Dubai or plan to- or even, like Dubai- are British south east Asians (usually Pakistani/ Bangladeshi rated than Indian)

I think they go there because it’s so much more comfortable for them rather than facing the racism and lack of opportunity in the uk

its a shame really. They contributed so much here

Fair dos for them some of my colleagues have family who have done this.
It is the Tommy Robinson supporters that I have recently come across who think Dubai is grat

GasPanic · 27/11/2025 12:28

justteanbiscuits · 27/11/2025 12:06

How will those planning to move abroad cope with the language barrier? (Except those going ' home'). I'm thinking learning the language to be able to work in Sweden would be a massive issue for example?

Just speak english at half the speed and twice the volume.

MooMoo74 · 27/11/2025 12:27

Mushroo · 26/11/2025 13:43

Honestly in despair at this government. On a very high level calc, we are so much worse off!

We both pay a lot into pensions, so the NI change is about £700 a year worse off.

We have an EV car, so based on our 4k a year mileage, it’s about £120 a year. (Although how it will be enforced I have no idea).

Stagnating tax thresholds, probably about £100 a year between us.

Council tax F house (4 bed end terrace, not a mansion, needs renovating). So risk of revaluation after having paid a fortune in stamp duty. We didn’t get first time buyer stamp duty relief because we bought about 2 years too early, and we moved before Covid so no relief there either. So overall we’ve paid about £30k in stamp duty already over our lifetime.

Weve already had the private school hit (which is a separate debate and we’ve accepted that) but wow, we are just being kicked on all sides.

We are classic ‘middle earners’ - earn about £70k each, but have mahoosive mortgage and pay over £2k a month in nursery fees already.

Every measure just seems to have a negative effect on our lifestyle, which is ‘comfortable’ but increasingly squeezed.

Your on about 11k a month between you both, I’d say your incredibly comfortable. You’re also not a middle earner household absolutely in the top earners. Quit moaning, your child/ren go to private school, come on. Just no.

jbm16 · 27/11/2025 12:26

Bambamhoohoo · 27/11/2025 10:19

If you’re self employed inside IR35 (with umbrella) you pay the employers NI. However, you are not an employer and can’t claim salary sacrifice

With Umbrella companies you are a 'fake' employee, on their payroll paying all the employment costs, but some Umbrella companies do provide the option of salary sacrifice schemes.

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