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Viviennemary · 26/11/2025 12:46

Its absolutely scarey that this incompetent lot are running the country. Not as bad as Liz Truss but that's hardly a yardstick . Some old Labour. Squeeze the money out of the workers and give it away. They had a real chance to reform benefits they didn't. Now more handouts for folk with large families. While the rest of us pay.

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Whichone1 · 26/11/2025 16:58

Glitchymn1 · 26/11/2025 13:29

As a lifelong voter they’ve lost me. I will pay more tax, DH will pay more tax.
They’ve screwed our pensions.
Most people aren’t having children because it’s not a nice world to bring them into.
Having children is a lifestyle choice.

Basically Labour now means- aim low, don’t save anything, don’t get a good job, pop out as many kids as you can. 👍🏼It will not prevent child poverty- imo.

💯 agree with you. Can’t work out why we are working so hard. It seems to pay to not work or aim high. My kids tell me they’ll leave the UK when they are old enough- and I completely agree with them.

DontGoJasonWaterfalls · 26/11/2025 16:54

If it's pissed you off @Viviennemary then I'm all for it. Keep it coming.

SeaAndStars · 26/11/2025 16:52

Abhannmor · 26/11/2025 16:47

Stop being annoyingly logical.

Apologies. There's no place on threads like this for people like me.

BloominNora · 26/11/2025 16:49

Vaxtable · 26/11/2025 14:29

Current Labour voters were wanted by oldies like me who can remember what they did last time they were in what would happen

and lo it’s come to pass

What they did last time?

Please tell me, which of the following things that Labour did 'last time' did you feel the need to warn people about?

  • Reduced taxes
  • Increased wages
  • Reduced unemployment and the proportion of people who were economically inactive
  • Improved public services to the point where the NHS was ranked one of the best health services in the world and invested in schools with the fully funded plan that every secondary school would be rebuilt.
  • Pulled millions of children out of poverty
  • Kept government borrowing below 40% GDP up until the financial crash, when they led on the global response and are credited with preventing it from being a whole lot worse.
Abhannmor · 26/11/2025 16:47

SeaAndStars · 26/11/2025 14:52

I'm old enough to remember what Labour did last time they were in. It was bloody great.

Longest period of sustained low inflation since the 60s.
Low mortgage rates.
Introduced the National Minimum Wage and raised it to £5.52.
Over 14,000 more police in England and Wales.
Cut overall crime by 32 per cent.
Record levels of literacy and numeracy in schools.
Young people achieving some of the best ever results at 14, 16, and 18.
Funding for every pupil in England has doubled.
Employment is at its highest level ever.
Written off up to 100 per cent of debt owed by poorest countries.
85,000 more nurses.
32,000 more doctors.
Brought back matrons to hospital wards.
Devolved power to the Scottish Parliament.
Devolved power to the Welsh Assembly.
Dads now get paternity leave of 2 weeks for the first time.
NHS Direct offering free convenient patient advice.
Gift aid was worth £828 million to charities last year.
Restored city-wide government to London.
Record number of students in higher education.
Child benefit up 26 per cent since 1997.
Delivered 2,200 Sure Start Children’s Centres.
Introduced the Equality and Human Rights Commission.
£200 winter fuel payment to pensioners & up to £300 for over-80s.
On course to exceed our Kyoto target for reducing greenhouse gas emissions.
Restored devolved government to Northern Ireland.
Over 36,000 more teachers in England and 274,000 more support staff and teaching assistants.
All full time workers now have a right to 24 days paid holiday.
A million pensioners lifted out of poverty.
600,000 children lifted out of relative poverty.
Introduced child tax credit giving more money to parents.
Scrapped Section 28 and introduced Civil Partnerships.
Brought over 1 million social homes up to standard.
Inpatient waiting lists down by over half a million since 1997.
Banned fox hunting.
Cleanest rivers, beaches, drinking water and air since before the industrial revolution.
Free TV licences for over-75s.
Banned fur farming and the testing of cosmetics on animals.
Free breast cancer screening for all women aged between 50-70.
Free off peak local bus travel for over-60s.
New Deal – helped over 1.8 million people into work.
Over 3 million child trust funds have been started.
Free eye test for over 60s.
More than doubled the number of apprenticeships.
Free entry to national museums and galleries.
Overseas aid budget more than doubled.
Heart disease deaths down by 150,000 and cancer deaths down by 50,000.
Cut long-term youth unemployment by 75 per cent.
Free nursery places for every three and four-year-olds.
Free fruit for most four to six-year-olds at school.

Stop being annoyingly logical.

SeaAndStars · 26/11/2025 16:39

'popping kids out' is giving me the ick.

BurntBroccoli · 26/11/2025 16:34

Oh dear - you can tell you are a Reform voter.

GentleOlive · 26/11/2025 16:25

Guidanceplease20 · 26/11/2025 15:18

Yes interest is higher because our debt grew because of Truss and what her policies caused!!

Edited

Interest is higher because this government is borrowing more because people paying tax are leaving the country.

KTheGrey · 26/11/2025 16:22

ColourThief · 26/11/2025 13:24

Me and my large family have one response to your complaining… (please see gif).

Maybe focus on your own life.
We struggle enough as it is, and believe me nobody will have less kids because they’re being forced to, so lifting this cap to stop kids living in poverty for the decisions of their parents was the right thing to do.
No matter how much you bitter folk seem to think it isn’t.

I’m willing to bet you’re above a certain age, own your own home/have social housing that your kids grew up in and gleefully took any handouts you could when your kids were small. It’s always the way with posts like these.

Edited to add: Maybe we should stop state pensions? No, because that would be abhorrent. People can’t help growing old, just the same as kids can’t help being born.
Most people I see using public services are elderly.
Buses with their passes, GP surgeries and A&E rammed full of them every time I go.
Should it only be the old that are looked after?
and who do you think will care for them if people stop having kids because they can’t afford to?

You carry on making spiteful, bitter threads.
I’m going to bed with a little bit of hope tonight that life might not be all that bad after all!

Edited

I disagree that people do not plan to have the number of children they can afford. In my experience that is exactly what people generally do. The people I know who wanted big families found a partner very young - under twenty - and went hell for leather after high paid jobs so they could afford more than two children.

Later circumstances may have changed but when they started mostly they calculated how many they could afford.

BrightMintTea · 26/11/2025 16:19

Honestly every government gets called useless on here, budgets never please everyone. I think people are just tired and frustrated in general at the moment.

PomandersandRedRibbon · 26/11/2025 16:19

Billions and billions btw are going into an unproven green engery carbon capture scheme.

PomandersandRedRibbon · 26/11/2025 16:18

Freezing thresholds for a bit longer ???

It's years and years longer.

There is no extra money going into my pocket ?? I'm on her lower end as well.

KTheGrey · 26/11/2025 16:16

HelenaWaiting · 26/11/2025 13:07

You don't want benefits reformed, do you? You want them stopped. Sod the vulnerable in society. It's their fault for not being rich/well paid/able-bodied.

I think you are both putting words in the OP’s mouth and over reacting.

PomandersandRedRibbon · 26/11/2025 16:16

She's on the news now talking about living wage and it's the right thing to do to put more money into people's pockets. 🤬🤬🤬 She's literally just said business is worried about no discretionary spending ,meals out ,casual shops so increasing the nmw is the right thing to do and will help spending and the poorest 🤬🤬.

Sorry where is that extra nmw actually coming from ?? Whose paying it ? The very small struggling businesses she's just mentioned

I'm right on the cusp of that threshold any extra I get on loose in tax (lower threshold ) so she's not bloody well helping me.

I cannot comprehend the utter stupidity.

Wildflowers78 · 26/11/2025 16:13

ColourThief · 26/11/2025 13:24

Me and my large family have one response to your complaining… (please see gif).

Maybe focus on your own life.
We struggle enough as it is, and believe me nobody will have less kids because they’re being forced to, so lifting this cap to stop kids living in poverty for the decisions of their parents was the right thing to do.
No matter how much you bitter folk seem to think it isn’t.

I’m willing to bet you’re above a certain age, own your own home/have social housing that your kids grew up in and gleefully took any handouts you could when your kids were small. It’s always the way with posts like these.

Edited to add: Maybe we should stop state pensions? No, because that would be abhorrent. People can’t help growing old, just the same as kids can’t help being born.
Most people I see using public services are elderly.
Buses with their passes, GP surgeries and A&E rammed full of them every time I go.
Should it only be the old that are looked after?
and who do you think will care for them if people stop having kids because they can’t afford to?

You carry on making spiteful, bitter threads.
I’m going to bed with a little bit of hope tonight that life might not be all that bad after all!

Edited

Top tip: don’t have too many kids to the point that you can’t afford them and rely on state handouts 👍

I have an only child for a reason - why is it so hard for some people to accept that it’s not their god given right to keep popping kids out that they can’t provide for?

PomandersandRedRibbon · 26/11/2025 16:13

@ColourThief but we were told babies weren't being born and we are facing low population so maybe it was working and people were being more thoughtful and careful ?

Yes accidents happen but three children isn't that diffenr to two but four ? Five ??

Linenpickle · 26/11/2025 16:12

This is far worse than Liz truss!!!

PomandersandRedRibbon · 26/11/2025 16:10

@Viviennemary Liz truss short term spooked the markets long term we may have been ok

This is long term damage and squeezes on the wrong people.

Young people won't be able to find jobs people on low income or working around childcare will be massively bit by static thresholds .

And loads of other stuff....deep deep issues .

bittertwisted · 26/11/2025 16:06

ColourThief · 26/11/2025 13:24

Me and my large family have one response to your complaining… (please see gif).

Maybe focus on your own life.
We struggle enough as it is, and believe me nobody will have less kids because they’re being forced to, so lifting this cap to stop kids living in poverty for the decisions of their parents was the right thing to do.
No matter how much you bitter folk seem to think it isn’t.

I’m willing to bet you’re above a certain age, own your own home/have social housing that your kids grew up in and gleefully took any handouts you could when your kids were small. It’s always the way with posts like these.

Edited to add: Maybe we should stop state pensions? No, because that would be abhorrent. People can’t help growing old, just the same as kids can’t help being born.
Most people I see using public services are elderly.
Buses with their passes, GP surgeries and A&E rammed full of them every time I go.
Should it only be the old that are looked after?
and who do you think will care for them if people stop having kids because they can’t afford to?

You carry on making spiteful, bitter threads.
I’m going to bed with a little bit of hope tonight that life might not be all that bad after all!

Edited

I paid for the family I chose to have, nobody else paid and why should they?
Your large family is your responsibility
and yes I do own my own home that I pay for. I never had any ‘handouts’ for my children
the luxury of being a SAHM or working less hours was not a possibility, because I had to pay for my life, my children, my home
in doing that I have paid a lot of tax, and I am sick to death of it being spent on entitled people who make choices they expect others to pay for
I have no problem at all paying tax to support the vulnerable, the disabled, to improve services, to encourage growth and success. But as usual that will not happen.

My boys are grown up successful young men who I taught your have to do things you don’t want to, so that you reap benefits in life. This lesson seems to have completely passed by an awful lot of people.
Now they are grown I still have a career, a home, a pension. Never relying on benefits has finally reaped rewards. Lots of people with benefits associated to how many children they have are in for a big shock when they grow up.

Radiator981 · 26/11/2025 16:02

HelenaWaiting · 26/11/2025 13:07

You don't want benefits reformed, do you? You want them stopped. Sod the vulnerable in society. It's their fault for not being rich/well paid/able-bodied.

its the able bodied who don’t work that piss me right off cos it’s not worth them working.

bigboykitty · 26/11/2025 15:55

I hope you get the same amount of support and empathy on your thread, OP, as you have given to so many posters on so many threads over the years.

Viviennemary · 26/11/2025 15:49

MyThreeWords · 26/11/2025 14:47

It may or may not be a good budget but I'm really sick of all this caricature 'political' commentary on so many threads, full of people claiming to know for a fact that the Labour government is being cretinously stupid and incompetent.

There is less and less actual political discussion on MN; more and more tribal hyperbole. I preferred it in the old days when our over-the-top forum fuming was restricted to little local squabbles like Moldies and Gina Ford, leaving us free to talk about politics in a more thoughtful and reality-anchored way than we seem to be able to do now.

In other words we should stop saying things you don't want to hear.

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charliehungerford · 26/11/2025 15:49

SeaAndStars · 26/11/2025 14:50

£17.25 a week isn't going to encourage anyone to 'pop out as many kids as you can."

Child benefit of £17 a week is not the issue. The two child cap related to universal credit payments. The state gave you additional money for each child you have, this was capped by the Tories when they were in government, you could only claim universal credit for two children, you could of course have as many children as you desired, but you wouldn’t get additional benefits for them. This has now been revoked, so parents will be able to get additional universal credit payments for each child they have, they don’t need to consider if they can afford to. Those who are not in receipt of UC can’t go to their employer as ask for a £3k raise just because they have had another child. Is there any guarantee that the extra money is going to be spent on the children to improve their lives? I’m sure it will in some cases, but There are a lot of feckless parents out there. Who on earth would have five children anyway, it’s not particularly responsible especially if you are reliant on the state for support. I know a lot of UC recipients do work, but I also know a lot who work part time hours and refuse extra hours because it would affect their benefits. Why work 40 hours a week when you can work half that and get your salary topped up?

IdaGlossop · 26/11/2025 15:46

I am a Labour voter but one feeling seriously disillusioned by the current government. They have inherited a massive mess, there is no doubt. However, the majority is too large so the backbenchers are out of control. The big things that need doing are not being done, specifically welfare reform and civil service reform. Neither Keir nor Rachel understands business or how to drive growth eg full rights for workers from day 1. There is no vision and little boldness. Lots is being done but the story is not being told.

taxguru · 26/11/2025 15:39

Viviennemary · 26/11/2025 13:57

Its a benefit people have paid into with contributions.

No, they've paid TAX as NIC is just another tax. Many people claiming full state pension will have paid little or no NIC if they've been eligible for "credits" due to unemployment, caring, or part time work.

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