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Except that the market has responded favourably to this budget. The pound is up and borrowing costs are down so the debt will cost us less. The opposite of what happened after the Truss / Kwarteng budget.

This is going to be an interesting and well informed debate, I’m sure.

Agree with this. It's a budget, some people win, some don't. Most of us don't. It has been like that since forever. People need to stop being hysterical.

Me and my large family have one response to your complaining… (please see gif).

Maybe focus on your own life.
We struggle enough as it is, and believe me nobody will have less kids because they’re being forced to, so lifting this cap to stop kids living in poverty for the decisions of their parents was the right thing to do.
No matter how much you bitter folk seem to think it isn’t.

I’m willing to bet you’re above a certain age, own your own home/have social housing that your kids grew up in and gleefully took any handouts you could when your kids were small. It’s always the way with posts like these.

Edited to add: Maybe we should stop state pensions? No, because that would be abhorrent. People can’t help growing old, just the same as kids can’t help being born.
Most people I see using public services are elderly.
Buses with their passes, GP surgeries and A&E rammed full of them every time I go.
Should it only be the old that are looked after?
and who do you think will care for them if people stop having kids because they can’t afford to?

You carry on making spiteful, bitter threads.
I’m going to bed with a little bit of hope tonight that life might not be all that bad after all!

Me and my large family have one response to your complaining… (please see gif).

Maybe focus on your own life.
We struggle enough as it is, and believe me nobody will have less kids because they’re being forced to, so lifting this cap to stop kids living in poverty for the decisions of their parents was the right thing to do.
No matter how much you bitter folk seem to think it isn’t.

I’m willing to bet you’re above a certain age, own your own home/have social housing that your kids grew up in and gleefully took any handouts you could when your kids were small. It’s always the way with posts like these.

Edited to add: Maybe we should stop state pensions? No, because that would be abhorrent. People can’t help growing old, just the same as kids can’t help being born.
Most people I see using public services are elderly.
Buses with their passes, GP surgeries and A&E rammed full of them every time I go.
Should it only be the old that are looked after?
and who do you think will care for them if people stop having kids because they can’t afford to?

You carry on making spiteful, bitter threads.
I’m going to bed with a little bit of hope tonight that life might not be all that bad after all!

It may or may not be a good budget but I'm really sick of all this caricature 'political' commentary on so many threads, full of people claiming to know for a fact that the Labour government is being cretinously stupid and incompetent.

There is less and less actual political discussion on MN; more and more tribal hyperbole. I preferred it in the old days when our over-the-top forum fuming was restricted to little local squabbles like Moldies and Gina Ford, leaving us free to talk about politics in a more thoughtful and reality-anchored way than we seem to be able to do now.

Oh no is the minimum wage increase going to push up the wages of your cleaner, gardener and nanny? Best cancel that holiday to Barbados.

This government is worse than Liz Truss.

Our debt interest is higher than it was under Liz Truss.

Hopefully Reeves is on her way out, closely followed out by the rest of these incompetent idiots.

Billions and billions btw are going into an unproven green engery carbon capture scheme.

I dispute your claim that you think.

I'll try and make it simple, although it's already evident, so...

If you're in favour of cutting a social security benefit or denying it on undetailed cost grounds, then you're a hypocrite if you don't accept the cut/denial applies to everyone in a category (in this case, people with children). There is no difference between taking support if you have one child, or taking support if you have 3 children.

From your position on the scale, you argue that you "only" had one child you expected taxpayers to support, so that's okay. But from my position (no kids, worked so far for 36 years) you used my taxes to support a child you chose to have, exactly the same as someone who may have 3 or 4 kids. In the language some people like to use, you were quick enough with your hand out for a handout when you needed it. But you want to remove that tight from other people. Hence - hypocrite.

Btw - there are around 24,000 families with six or more children, and "a handful" with more than 10. So stop with the tabloid headline nonsense. Unless, of course, you really want people to think you're stupid enough to believe it.

You are all saying “wow what a life on 25k, mines awful on 140k”

deluded

your arguments don’t make sense

But surely a big part of that is that they are willing to pay for the better services they have? We seem to want it all: better public services but lower ( or no) taxes.

Make it make sense.

You'll have the link to that poll, so you can post it. Right?

60% of all Britons approved of the cap only 28% wanted it removed the rest “didnt know”. It doesn’t have a lot of support at all maybe you should get out more if you seriously think that

Hypocrisy how? When I’m arguing in favour of a two child cap not a zero child cap. Yeah I had one child when I was super young but then I didn’t have any more until I was in a better place financially. It was brought in because some people took the piss having ten kids and expecting everyone else to pay

Genuine question;

If high(er) taxes mean the rich will leave in droves (which is highly disputed, btw), then why do the Scandinavian countries still have wealthy people living there?

They pay far more tax than we do, and have a much higher standard of living to show for it.

Why is it any of our business the life choices of the person you just described? It would have been a choice to have masses of children. Contraception is still free in England I believe.

So why do you think higher earners are happy to stay blinking in the darkness of Scandinavian countries whilst paying higher taxes? My partner is working in one right now and the photos he is sending back are stunning. Beautiful clean streets. Amazing scenery. I’d move there in a heartbeat. If you can’t recognise just how dilapidated this country has become you really need to get out more. Nothing works. Literally nothing works.

"lol removing the two child cap was deeply unpopular...you forgot to say "among everyone I know, and I make sure only to socialise with people who think exactly like me". Maybe you should get out more.

It's a practical measure that will have an immediate positive effect and has a lot of support. I'm not particularly interested in what single mothers who lived on benefits for years think about it.

I cannot believe that people on here are moaning how squeezed they are on £140k bringing up one child yet think someone getting £25k a year with masses of children is rolling in money and having the life of Riley

it doesn’t make logical sense

surely they have 5-6 times that amount so must be living a life of luxury according to their own logic