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Kilot · 2025-11-26T12:13:39+00:00

The poorest in society will earn more. Companies will have to pay more, benefits will drop.

AutumnLeavesandKnittedJumpers · 26/11/2025 12:24

Christmascarrotjumper · 26/11/2025 12:24

I don't disagree with you, but forcing businesses to collapse means unemployment. And that's even more expensive.

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It’s not forcing businesses to collapse. It’s forcing the owners and shareholders to give up some of their millions of profits.

LadyHexham · 26/11/2025 12:24

I would also add that as a former employer, we are not all shysters.

Some of us want to look after our staff but to keep the business, and their job, viable we need to make a profit.

Fleetheart · 26/11/2025 12:24

Thechaseison71 · 26/11/2025 12:18

Trouble is the cost of everything else will go up to pay for it and no one gets any better off

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Why do people not say this when they see how much Chief Executives pay rises. It seems like we had been brain washed as a society.

Christmascarrotjumper · 26/11/2025 12:24

AutumnLeavesandKnittedJumpers · 26/11/2025 12:21

So instead workers (and the government) should prop up businesses who can’t afford to pay their workers? We should all be cutting back further and further, and paying more in benefits to top up wages, to allow businesses to underpay staff,

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I don't disagree with you, but forcing businesses to collapse means unemployment. And that's even more expensive.

ShesTheAlbatross · 26/11/2025 12:23

I imagine this will also fuck over nurseries. Increased salary costs, but will the gov be increasing their funding for the “free” spaces - I would imagine not (but hopefully I’m wrong). With the gov also cracking down on top up fees (which have never been allowed), will even more nurseries end up closing? I imagine some “free breakfast clubs” may face the same issue.

Thats not at all me saying that I don’t think nursery workers should be paid more than they are.

AutumnLeavesandKnittedJumpers · 26/11/2025 12:23

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 26/11/2025 12:23

They won't earn a penny if the companies employing them go bust.

Do you know how many small companies are literaly on the brink, especially after the NI rises?

Is that what you want?

You don’t have a right to underpay your workers just because you’re a “small business”

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 26/11/2025 12:23

They won't earn a penny if the companies employing them go bust.

Do you know how many small companies are literaly on the brink, especially after the NI rises?

Is that what you want?

turkeyboots · 26/11/2025 12:22

It will further damage youth employment. Who will pay £26k to someone with no experience?

OnlyMabelInTheBuilding · 26/11/2025 12:22

kittywittyandpretty · 26/11/2025 12:19

I bet there’s plenty of money for the shareholders, though

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Well shareholders have invested in the company, so yes, they’ll expect a return. If not, they’d sell up.

Do you not understand how business works?

BoxesBoxesEverywhere · 26/11/2025 12:22

YANBU
If you've got a business, pay your staff properly.

Silverbirchleaf · 26/11/2025 12:22

kittywittyandpretty · 26/11/2025 12:18

I believe that national minimum wage has been increased 19 times since 2000
Which is not very often really

Almost every year, so quite often?

Coffeeandbooks88 · 26/11/2025 12:21

Unfortunately UC also raises the AET of how much you need to earn before having no work commitments every time they raise the MW. This means less UC etc so you aren't better off.

LadyHexham · 26/11/2025 12:21

As a former shopkeeper, I would have been thrilled if my takings had gone up when the minimum wage was raised.
Instead I had to absorb it

GentleOlive · 26/11/2025 12:21

kittywittyandpretty · 26/11/2025 12:19

I bet there’s plenty of money for the shareholders, though

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Yes that’s how ownership works.

Do you give your income away for free. Why do you expect shareholders to do that.

More to the point, do you have a workplace pension or private pension? Are you paying into it without expecting a return?

itsthetea · 26/11/2025 12:21

If employers can’t afford to pay a decent wage then they are not a viable business

our reliance on low paid foreign labour ( everything you buy that was made in China for example ) means a lot of our businesses are not viable because we are in a world that is driving down the value of labour

AutumnLeavesandKnittedJumpers · 26/11/2025 12:21

Christmascarrotjumper · 26/11/2025 12:20

And who benefits from these businesses collapsing?

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So instead workers (and the government) should prop up businesses who can’t afford to pay their workers? We should all be cutting back further and further, and paying more in benefits to top up wages, to allow businesses to underpay staff,

Christmascarrotjumper · 26/11/2025 12:20

AutumnLeavesandKnittedJumpers · 26/11/2025 12:17

Bollocks. Utter bollocks. If your business isn’t making enough to pay a liveable wage, it’s not a sustainable business

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And who benefits from these businesses collapsing?

Friendlygingercat · 26/11/2025 12:19

This will place more pressure on employers who were hammered last year with the NI rises. Tax thresholds are being frozen til 2030 so as wages go up more people will pay tax. Giving with one hand and taking with the other. Small business who cant afford it will let people go, cut hours or pay cash in hand.

Linenpickle · 26/11/2025 12:19

I haven’t had 19 pay rises since 2000.

TheatricalLife · 26/11/2025 12:19

It isn't really that simple. In a dream world yes, companies would just pay more, but realistically what will happen is they will cut staff to a minimum and reduce hours. It's already happening.

kittywittyandpretty · 26/11/2025 12:19

Imissgoldengrahams · 26/11/2025 12:18

100%
I manage a team, suppose to be 7 of them
There is currently 3. Which leaves me having to step up and do a job I wasn't employed for
"No money left in the budget for more staff" is their answer.

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I bet there’s plenty of money for the shareholders, though

AutumnLeavesandKnittedJumpers · 26/11/2025 12:18

Thechaseison71 · 26/11/2025 12:18

Trouble is the cost of everything else will go up to pay for it and no one gets any better off

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That’s on the business owners who won’t cut the profits they take home…

Vaxtable · 26/11/2025 12:18

You obviously don’t fully understand how this is going to work. Businesses can’t afford it, so they either won’t employ anyone to start with, or will not replace when people leave, or worse case go bust and no one wins

kittywittyandpretty · 26/11/2025 12:18

I believe that national minimum wage has been increased 19 times since 2000
Which is not very often really

GentleOlive · 26/11/2025 12:18

The minimum wage was raised already last year. And unemployment, especially youth unemployment has gone up. Wages can’t be raised in a vacuum. They have to underpinned by higher productivity and economic growth. Both of which have been killed stone dead by this government.

So the poor in society can’t earn more in jobs that don’t exist.