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To conclude there must be many thousands of people on the roads who have not passed the driving test.

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redange · 25/11/2025 20:00

I cannot believe the appalling standard of driving i see every day. To 'Legally' pass a driving test today requires a higher standard of competency than 35 years ago. In order to pass today requires an awareness of Hazard perception, correct use of Gears (if in a Manual) understanding of speed and distance and before that a difficult theory test. Therefore, how is it possible that the standard of driving is infinitely worse. The only conclusion can be that many thousands of people are driving illegally and dangerously on the highways of the United Kingdom.

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RudolphTheReindeer · 26/11/2025 13:21

TheRealMagic · 26/11/2025 11:56

Among all this doom and gloom about declining standards, people not being able to drive because modern cars have too many gizmos, it showing a general collapse of morality, the youth of today not being up to the glories of their elders, etc. I do think it's worth noting that the roads have actually never been safer. Those are absolute numbers - it would be even more dramatic a decline if shown as the number of fatalities per 100,000 cars on the roads.

I dare say this is because cars are constantly improved and changed rather than anything to with anyone's driving.

cinquanta · 26/11/2025 11:57

Meadowfinch · 26/11/2025 06:46

Indicators have been a legal requirement on all new cars sold in the UK since 1935 so not sure which driving instructors are teaching in pre-1935 cars. Are they teaching people to double declutch as well?

Interesting. Do you have a source for that?

We have a 70 year old car that definitely didn’t have them fitted when new.

TheRealMagic · 26/11/2025 11:56

Among all this doom and gloom about declining standards, people not being able to drive because modern cars have too many gizmos, it showing a general collapse of morality, the youth of today not being up to the glories of their elders, etc. I do think it's worth noting that the roads have actually never been safer. Those are absolute numbers - it would be even more dramatic a decline if shown as the number of fatalities per 100,000 cars on the roads.

To conclude there must be many thousands of people on the roads who have not passed the driving test.
SlipOfFinger · 26/11/2025 11:43

I have also noted that the new crop of strange men who struggle to drive like a normal person, want you to notice them, they come across as even more narcissistic than the boy racer teen of old, as they are often middle aged 35 to 45 ish men.

The clown mask topped it for me, I genuinely thought he was going to a terror attack plugh people over with his chum all masked up like that. I was shaking.

RudolphTheReindeer · 26/11/2025 11:39

I also saw a bloke getting arsey at a woman for simply walking along the footpath yesterday as he wanted to cross it to enter a business premises and seemed to think he had right of way. It wasn't a road entrance but a dropped kerb entrance. I see stuff every day that makes me sigh.

RudolphTheReindeer · 26/11/2025 11:37

Someone overtook me in a 30 zone last night doing 52! No care at all for others (there was one of those speed indicators with the smiley/sad face which is how I know how fast they were going).

AppleDumplingWithCustard · 26/11/2025 11:35

Meadowfinch · 26/11/2025 06:46

Indicators have been a legal requirement on all new cars sold in the UK since 1935 so not sure which driving instructors are teaching in pre-1935 cars. Are they teaching people to double declutch as well?

I think you’ll find the poster is being sarcastic!

SlipOfFinger · 26/11/2025 11:31

I agree OP. These people are overall strange.

I had one behind me once and as I looked in the drivers mirror to see who was such a bad driver, I noted he had a man dressed as a clown next to him in the passenger seat.

I asked my companion to look in their vaniry mirror and we both were quite scared.

Later as he tore past me dangerously, we saw that he actually had a clown mask on the head rest of the passenger seat.

redange · 26/11/2025 11:10

What i can't get my head round is the number of people driving around in uninsured and not taxed Lamborghini Hurrican's

Police in Lancashire seize uninsured Lamborghini and 100 other vehicles in a week (lancasterguardian.co.uk)

Who in the right mind lets an uninsured driver drive a circa £200 K car. Years ago uninsured and not taxed cars were write offs or cars on their last legs.

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Cutecattoes · 26/11/2025 11:07

The amount of drivers overtaking me in a 20mph area is scary. Im sick of people barreling up behind me then getting pissed off that i dare do the speed limit. These are built up areas where there is more likely to be children in the road but these people have no issues with putting their foot down. I imagine they would be absolutely up in arms if a speeding driver hit one of their children.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 26/11/2025 10:51

If watching Police Interceptors now and then is anything to go by, plenty of people are driving with no licence (or, obviously) insurance. Or who have lost their licence because of drink/speeding, etc.

I dare say someone will call this a racist comment, but in the past I’ve known more than one foreign-born person who freely admitted that back home, they’d paid someone to take their driving test, and that it was common enough.

Not sure how that works now, though - I learned to drive in Cyprus (ages ago) but could drive on that licence only for one year, after which I had to pass a U.K. driving test.

Thechaseison71 · 26/11/2025 10:43

thewintergarden · 26/11/2025 07:39

Just watch some of the police series on TV.

I tell my children to cross the road as though every car has a driver behind the wheel who is drunk,.distracted and hasnt had a lesson in their life.
And I drive with that in my mind too

My driving instructor in the 80s told me to treat every other driver as they are likely to do something stupid so that's not a new thibg

MyDeftDuck · 26/11/2025 08:25

Our neighbour is in his 80 with failing eyesight but still insists on driving. I know I’ll get up one morning and find his car in my front garden - he lives opposite.

We have both advised him to stop driving and no doubt his optician has advised the same but he’s having none of it. Reporting to 101 does nothing either…….accident literally waiting to happen!

Needlenardlenoo · 26/11/2025 07:50

thewintergarden · 26/11/2025 07:39

Just watch some of the police series on TV.

I tell my children to cross the road as though every car has a driver behind the wheel who is drunk,.distracted and hasnt had a lesson in their life.
And I drive with that in my mind too

Yes this is good advice.

We live in a reasonably affluent part of South London and it's become common for drivers to simply drive across junctions without looking. They certainly don't look like cars belonging to people who can't afford lessons, insurance etc.

Novemberbrain · 26/11/2025 07:46

Going by local newspaper reports my guess is it's a combination of lack of ever having learned as you say, and driving with drink/drugs in their system. The latter feels like the only rational explanation for some of the insane behaviour I come across regularly when driving, either that or people just suddenly not caring if they die/become very disabled/cause similar to other road users etc.

BobbyBrewstersMagicTorch · 26/11/2025 07:46

I don't think older people are to blame. Most of the poor driving I see is from entitled drivers - they don't need to indicate/give way/use headlights if they don't want to.
Or they think it's uncool to do these things (particularly BMW/Audi drivers I find).

It's safely endemic in all areas of life now sadly.

AnonymityPreferredPls · 26/11/2025 07:45

Daisymay8 · 26/11/2025 07:37

Who are you reporting to

Literally says in the post......they have been reported to DVLA, via the proper process.

Daisymay8 · 26/11/2025 07:40

The problem is possibly that the ones with no licence or no insurance also have or claim to have no money -so what can be done e if there is no room in prison (and if they are working illegally they have no job to lose by being given a prison sentence) - pointless going to the trouble of arresting them

thewintergarden · 26/11/2025 07:39

Just watch some of the police series on TV.

I tell my children to cross the road as though every car has a driver behind the wheel who is drunk,.distracted and hasnt had a lesson in their life.
And I drive with that in my mind too

Daisymay8 · 26/11/2025 07:37

AnonymityPreferredPls · 25/11/2025 20:15

An older family friend has advancing Alzheimers, everyone bar her husband want her to stop as she isn't simply safe (he doesn't as then he'd have to drive her places and he doesnt want the inconvenience).

The woman wasn't a good driver to start with, she is away with the fairies, can't corner, can barely open a car door reliably, can't recognise speed limits or stick to them. She's been reported to DVLA multiple times, and yet, getting her licence revoked before she kills someone is impossible. They ask the person who has been reported to self declare on a form they are capable......which in their view, of course they are. It is astounding.

Who are you reporting to

Thewindowdressing · 26/11/2025 07:37

There are so many.
Sunday I watched woman trying to park by Tesco... She backed out of the spot 4 times trying to park straight and in the bay, then she gave up and just left it there and went shopping.
Incredible number of people don't indicate.
Guy changing his mind on large junction, not caring that he nearly hit us who were in the turning lane just last week.
Keeping in 1 lane? Why when you can drive third in the other too...
Some impressively terrible parking around.

I hear way more honking lately. And I get why. I saw car pull onto a road with n9 care in the world 2 weeks ago. Got proper honked at by others.

It's abysmal.

FallingIntoAutumn · 26/11/2025 07:36

I’m another who thinks we should be retested every ten years. The standard of driving is shocking now. You have to drive defensively all the time.

there’s one woman I see on the school run, everyday she does something dangerous. Pulls infront of someone as your approaching roundabout and slams on her brakes, wrong lanes for round abouts, jumps traffic lights, pulls out on people.

she’s a driving instructor.

Vintagegoth · 26/11/2025 07:34

In my area it is huge numbers of people on their phones. Mostly on video calls. Not just cars, but lorries too.
The police have a particular road near us where they pull people over and check paperwork and do a drink / drug drive check. You would be disgusted at how many they catch each time.

AgnesX · 26/11/2025 07:27

Abra1t · 25/11/2025 20:25

The people I see hogging the middle lane of the M4 are often younger males and females. They are staring fixedly at the road in front.

Then, on the M4 around the m25 and Heathrow, there are a lot of young men in fast black BMWs and Audis speeding up the inside lane to overtake. I imagine they have false plates or diplomatic immunity because they don’t care about the speed cameras.

On the M74 and M6 north it's equal opportunities. The thing that's the same is that they're behaving like arses. Deliberately. They know what they're doing..

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