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whyohwhyisitalwayswet · 25/11/2025 12:47

Sorry, a bit long but don't want to drip feed!

My partner and I have a solid, happy relationship, have been together for over four years but are not married and don't live together. I'm in my early 50s, and he is in his late 50s. I have a child (early teens) at home, and he has adult children in their mid/late 20s. My only niggling issue is over how we share costs - day to day, as well as on an upcoming Christmas break.

As background we have different attitudes to money generally - I like hosting/being generous/paying for things in the expectation/hope that others will be generous too. He prefers to split costs (even small amounts). This took some getting used to initially as I would treat him to meals/things, and when it was his turn he would put things on the shared tab. I had to learn to put everything on the shared tab.

Question about splitting costs day to day: I don't drive and have less flexibility in my schedule because of my work and single parenting. Currently he drives to me (about 40 mins) every weekend, and I pay for all costs of meals/wine while we are at my place which is 2 nights/3 days usually, so much so that I even pay for takeout if we have it at my place. I've always thought that I end up paying a lot more than he does given the current arrangement, especially as we drink a couple of bottles of wine over the weekend. He covers petrol costs (and it is an electric car now, so much less) to come to me, but he is very helpful around the house (will sort out leaky taps etc), and will drop my son off at a playdate and such (usually short distances). When I have brought sharing of costs up he says I don't take into account the costs of running a car - insurance, servicing etc, so actually it evens out. But, is that something I should be taking into account (given he's always had a car and uses it for commuting to work/sport/socialising and not just to visit me)?

Question about splitting costs on holiday: If we eat out or are on holiday we split expenses fairly (I pay proportionally more if my DC is with us). This is fair I think. There are, however, occasions like this Christmas when my DC is with his dad. I want to spend two weeks by the beach, so I've booked an (expensive) rental. I was going to go anyway so didn't think to ask him to contribute. He is joining me for a week of the two weeks. I am sure that any wine/food we have that he pays for he will put all of that on the shared tab. I just got an order of wine in for home (I paid), and he suggested taking those bottles with us to the beach rental too. That got me thinking, I will pay for the rental and the wine??

Added complication is that we earned the same when we first met but he has since transitioned to a more rewarding but less remunerative career so now he earns less than half of what I do. However, he has substantial savings, and a pension pot whereas I still have a child at home, and a 1/3 of what he does in savings/pensions so do need to save.

So my questions are:

a) is how we split costs fair - day to day, and while on this Christmas holiday?

b) if not, how do I have this conversation with my partner?

Please don't tell me to LTB over this :). We have a very solid relationship, and I just want to be preemptive about this issue that does crop up. Thanks!

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Moanranger · 26/11/2025 07:17

A couple of further thoughts- in defence of the OP taking up with her current partner so quickly after the breakdown of her marriage, I did the same. At the time I kept telling myself it was too soon, but I went through an awful divorce & having my DP was a godsend.
on the gifting front, some people are not good at choosing gifts. My DP always wants an exact list of what is wanted ( same for his kids.) I was/am dismayed by this, but I have learned to accept it. So I don’t think this guy will ever come swooping in with a little box containing the perfect diamond earrings, bracelet, etc, that will delight you. Not in his DNA. On the other hand, giving you his son’s sweaty second hand Apple Watch is a big No, and he should be called up on that.

SquareHead37 · 26/11/2025 03:11

whyohwhyisitalwayswet · 25/11/2025 23:29

I worry about this. I don't want to squash myself down to meet him where he is at on money/generosity/gifts as it wouldn't be me. Thank you for your kind words.

You wouldn’t be squashing yourself down. You can still be generous but with limits. It’s the difference between knowing who is worthy of your generosity, and who is not. This man is not. In fact your generosity is papering over some serious cracks. You describe happy times with your son and your friends but it isn’t happy at all, it’s a covert contract of exploitation and silence. You both know what’s going on, and you also know on some level this relationship depends on you continuing to over function and stay silent.

Women with a history of abuse often feel they have to prove they’re nice, and interpret having boundaries as being mean. That’s not a failing on your part. It’s a survival skill that develops when you have to appease unsafe men. And when your ex met you, vulnerable and fresh out of an abusive relationship he’d have spotted it immediately.

A previous poster has said this is financial abuse and I agree. Financial abuse is not about sums of money. It’s about entitlement, control and exploitation. Unless this conversation results in a sincere apology and immediate changes you should consider ending it. I agree with a pp who had concerns about him planning to move into your house.

Enrichetta · 26/11/2025 00:27

@whyohwhyisitalwayswet - if there are two practical things I hope you will take away from this thread it is these:

  • make a list of the main issues and concerns raised, reflect on them, and then discuss them with your therapist.
  • make a promise to yourself that henceforth you will prioritise your own best interests and those of your son.
nomas · 26/11/2025 00:16

whyohwhyisitalwayswet · 25/11/2025 23:29

I worry about this. I don't want to squash myself down to meet him where he is at on money/generosity/gifts as it wouldn't be me. Thank you for your kind words.

You just need to compartmentalise with him and charge everything to the joint tab. You can continue to be generous to your dc and to those who are generous to you.

nomas · 26/11/2025 00:14

Sunshinesmon · 26/11/2025 00:05

He doesn't charge at OP's

Yes, she said that after my post.

Sunshinesmon · 26/11/2025 00:05

nomas · 25/11/2025 19:50

Maybe she means charging at OP's is free for him?

He doesn't charge at OP's

WaryHiker · 25/11/2025 23:44

SquareHead37 · 25/11/2025 16:53

The relevance of you being vulnerable is huge. The lack of financial reciprocity would have revealed itself early on and you overlooked it. This, with your generosity, over functioning and conflict adverse nature made you an appealing option to someone who is financially off. Even now you aren’t saying my partners taking advantage of me so I’m ending it, you’re saying my partners taking advantage of me, how can I get him to be nicer?

Your friends and family loving him means literally nothing. It only means they like the polished fake version of him. What would they really say if they knew that not only is he happily letting you buy his food, he’s so tight and controlling he wanted you to put halves towards his pastry?

And this has gone on for four years. He must owe you thousands. A nice man does not ask a single mum to go halves on his pastry. That was so petty it was utterly ridiculous.

I haven't finished reading the thread yet, but this is a brilliant post!

whyohwhyisitalwayswet · 25/11/2025 23:29

DidILeaveTheGasOn · 25/11/2025 18:18

Hey Op,

The backpack for your birthday is making me sad. I wonder, what would you have loved to receive as a birthday gift?

Would your younger self feel sad that your partner of 4 years bought you a backpack for your birthday, got you coupons for Christmas, got your kid a card and nothing else?

Will he ever get you gig tickets and lovely food and treat you?

I saw the comments about mirroring your partner but - where would you put the rest of yourself? The consideration and generosity? Would you have to squash that part of yourself down? Make yourself less than, to meet him where he's at?

You sound so warm and vibrant Op, and honestly... He does not.

I worry about this. I don't want to squash myself down to meet him where he is at on money/generosity/gifts as it wouldn't be me. Thank you for your kind words.

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whyohwhyisitalwayswet · 25/11/2025 23:27

whistlesandbells · 25/11/2025 17:46

Sorry I do not think you should accept this as “crossed wires”. The pastries example is outrageous. He turns up, he devours everything you have paid for then successfully gets you to pay for even more. It is not “forgetfulness or absent mindedness” - it is cheapness and taking advantage of you - he remembers the shared tab.
He has a car - he can use it. You have a younger child than him who is still dependent. His career change is not your concern. If he wants to come on holiday for a week to somewhere (as long as he wants to) then he pays his share.
You seem to have a joint account for when it suits him to get money from you. Otherwise, he’s happy to take. It is irrelevant what you earn - you are not a unit. Sorry OP. I’m annoyed on your behalf.

thanks for the outrage on my behalf :)

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whyohwhyisitalwayswet · 25/11/2025 23:21

I would love some cool company in my villa (it's just an apartment but villa sounds much fancier!). Thanks for taking the time to read and comment on this. And, to read it to your DH. Good to have a male perspective too!

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Floatingdownriver · 25/11/2025 22:20

OP, you don’t bring it up. You get rid of him and go enjoy your life.

whyohwhyisitalwayswet · 25/11/2025 22:14

TwistedWonder · 25/11/2025 22:08

So 3 months after your toxic relationship ended, you went straight into another relationship. You didn’t take any time to reflect, work on your boundaries, understand your own needs, learn how to spot red flags and just enjoy taking time for yourself and your DS without a man? You were still at an extremely vulnerable stage and it’s very unlikely you were in a good place for making healthy choices regarding putting boundaries in place.

Are you scared of being alone? Because not only did you seemingly rush into a new relationship barely pausing for breath, you seem to be making numerous excuses to justify this man’s behaviour.

Edited

All true, probably :( I am not scared of being alone (I felt alone for much of my marriage), but I was gagging for it as I was in a sexless relationship and the sex was spectacular 😂And, he is a very kind man, funny, positive, happy, helpful, so I did fall in love after - not my plan or expected.

And seriously, I did take my time introducing my DS into the mix though, and I was and still am very protective of my time with him. We take holidays just him and me. And, have not seriously considered living together because of of my time with DS.

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whyohwhyisitalwayswet · 25/11/2025 22:10

SunnySideDeepDown · 25/11/2025 22:04

I think this is why people recommend breaks between relationships. Jumping from one serious relationship to another creates issues. You’re projecting past issues with your ex onto your current relationship.

Healthy relationships include open and safe communication. Generosity, equality, kindness. Not analysing the last penny spend and feeling afraid to mention something in case it upsets him. He’s applying ridiculous rules to the relationship inconsistently. Of course you have a problem with it.

If nothing else, I hope this thread has made you trust your instincts and see that if you feel there’s an issue, there’s an issue. It’s not in your head.

Yes, I think ideally there would have been a break between relationships. I have struggled with projection, and still do, but am getting better. Generosity, equality and kindness - absolutely. But my not raising issues is on me. His not being proactive about addressing (and even seeing) the unfairness is on him. Yes, and this thread has definitely helped give me perspective and confidence. It is honestly MN at its best, so thank you all! I will talk to him on the weekend and report back.

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PullTheBricksDown · 25/11/2025 22:09

whyohwhyisitalwayswet · 25/11/2025 20:51

Not at the time (some months ago) but since I've (half-jokingly) made an issue of it over the months, a few weeks ago he bought an Apple watch off his son for £50 (he had upgraded) and gave it to me in exchange for my Fitbit (which he uses). He couldn't use the Apple watch as he doesn't have an iphone. He did say that this was going to be my birthday gift. Does this count???

No!! A gift should be something you like, bought because you like it, with you in mind. Not something he's swapped with you for an item of yours. Not something he can't use himself so has passed on. A gift doesn't have to be expensive. But these are cheap things in all senses of the word.

TwistedWonder · 25/11/2025 22:08

whyohwhyisitalwayswet · 25/11/2025 21:27

To answer your question, I met my DP three months after the relationship with my ex ended, and with therapy and support (including from DP, and good friends) I have grown stronger through these last years. I did very much feel grateful for my DP, given my ex, especially initially, but there are lots of good things in the relationship too. I do have to have a conversation with my DP.

Part of my problem is that I'm reluctant to raise issues. I used to with my exH, and he would gaslight me, yell, scream, deflect etc, so every situation got immeasurably worse once I raised an issue. Makes me nervous to raise an issue - I've worked on that, and have gotten more comfortable raising things with my DP (because he is usually receptive), but this money thing I have added cringe-issues raising.

So 3 months after your toxic relationship ended, you went straight into another relationship. You didn’t take any time to reflect, work on your boundaries, understand your own needs, learn how to spot red flags and just enjoy taking time for yourself and your DS without a man? You were still at an extremely vulnerable stage and it’s very unlikely you were in a good place for making healthy choices regarding putting boundaries in place.

Are you scared of being alone? Because not only did you seemingly rush into a new relationship barely pausing for breath, you seem to be making numerous excuses to justify this man’s behaviour.

SunnySideDeepDown · 25/11/2025 22:04

whyohwhyisitalwayswet · 25/11/2025 21:27

To answer your question, I met my DP three months after the relationship with my ex ended, and with therapy and support (including from DP, and good friends) I have grown stronger through these last years. I did very much feel grateful for my DP, given my ex, especially initially, but there are lots of good things in the relationship too. I do have to have a conversation with my DP.

Part of my problem is that I'm reluctant to raise issues. I used to with my exH, and he would gaslight me, yell, scream, deflect etc, so every situation got immeasurably worse once I raised an issue. Makes me nervous to raise an issue - I've worked on that, and have gotten more comfortable raising things with my DP (because he is usually receptive), but this money thing I have added cringe-issues raising.

I think this is why people recommend breaks between relationships. Jumping from one serious relationship to another creates issues. You’re projecting past issues with your ex onto your current relationship.

Healthy relationships include open and safe communication. Generosity, equality, kindness. Not analysing the last penny spend and feeling afraid to mention something in case it upsets him. He’s applying ridiculous rules to the relationship inconsistently. Of course you have a problem with it.

If nothing else, I hope this thread has made you trust your instincts and see that if you feel there’s an issue, there’s an issue. It’s not in your head.

whyohwhyisitalwayswet · 25/11/2025 21:59

KookyPinkHare · 25/11/2025 21:55

I think you need to ask yourself why you only made a point "half-jokingly". Why couldn't you make it seriously?
And I agree with pp that the watch was a swap, not a gift, and that this man's behaviour around money sounds worse the longer the thread goes on.

I guess coz I don't want to upset the apple cart, and I still struggle to feel entitled to being treated better? And, I do care for him, and am always looking for other explanations (than the ones being offered here!). I must take responsibility for that.

And, while it is sad to have my niggles confirmed, it is I guess good to get perspective that this isn't normal behavior around money (and not just us having clashing approaches/cultures around money)

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KookyPinkHare · 25/11/2025 21:55

whyohwhyisitalwayswet · 25/11/2025 20:51

Not at the time (some months ago) but since I've (half-jokingly) made an issue of it over the months, a few weeks ago he bought an Apple watch off his son for £50 (he had upgraded) and gave it to me in exchange for my Fitbit (which he uses). He couldn't use the Apple watch as he doesn't have an iphone. He did say that this was going to be my birthday gift. Does this count???

I think you need to ask yourself why you only made a point "half-jokingly". Why couldn't you make it seriously?
And I agree with pp that the watch was a swap, not a gift, and that this man's behaviour around money sounds worse the longer the thread goes on.

Jom222 · 25/11/2025 21:43

whyohwhyisitalwayswet · 25/11/2025 13:08

That's helpful perspective, apileofballyhoo, thanks! My problem is that I cringe from the crassness of having money conversations with people I love. It seems like everyone should be looking out for each other seamlessly and fairly, and the minute you start dissecting this, the niceness is out of the window, if you know what I mean, it becomes very transactional.

but he has no problem letting this unequal situation go on and on

whyohwhyisitalwayswet · 25/11/2025 21:36

Sunnydaystoday · 25/11/2025 21:31

You desperately need to look at therapy to help build self esteem and self respect.
You sadly haven't a scrap of either the way you continually pay for this man to spend time with you.

You could be in therapy several times a week for what you pay for him to live off you at the weekends.
This would be a great long term investment in you.

Have you given any thought to what you are modelling to your child?
Would you like a daughter/son thinking yours is what constitutes a normal healthy relationship?

One party mean as possible, the other half spending money hand over fist?

My teens, and children in their 20's know yours is not a healthy dynamic.

Get into therapy, before this loser is living with you.

You went from one abusive relationship into another.
This is financial abuse of you, you just don't realise it.
That you feel so uncomfortable bringing it up is a huge red flag.
Therapy could really help you.

Again, you deserve better than this.
Do it for your child if not yourself.

Edited

A bit harsh to me and my DP, but therapy and perspective is much needed, I agree! My child doesn't know how the money is split/paid for etc. And, he appreciates the time my DP spends with him playing/mathing etc, and he sees us having a giggle and doing things together, so not too worried (yet) on the role modeling score.

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whyohwhyisitalwayswet · 25/11/2025 21:33

wfhwfh · 25/11/2025 21:16

My apologies - i made an assumption there that wasnt fair. If he lost his job and struggled to get an equivalent, that is wholly different than deciding to wind down whilst in a flatshare.

I do agree with others re the beach rental. If hes only there (at Christmas?) with you if its a freebie, is he not better spending Christmas with his kids? It sounds like you did similar last year too. Then next year you can make a conscious plan together. You planning and paying for everything and him tagging along for the ride like a child home from uni isnt a good dynamic to get into. And time alone as a woman is magical (and not something you’ll often get as a single mum with the Dad abroad).

Yes, time alone is magical, that's why he was only ever invited to join me for the second week. I actually thought he might be with his kids from Christmas which is why I didn't even think to plan this together from the start. But, we do need to discuss this trip properly too. On the weekend when he's back at mine!

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Sunnydaystoday · 25/11/2025 21:31

You desperately need to look at therapy to help build self esteem and self respect.
You sadly haven't a scrap of either the way you continually pay for this man to spend time with you.

You could be in therapy several times a week for what you pay for him to live off you at the weekends.
This would be a great long term investment in you.

Have you given any thought to what you are modelling to your child?
Would you like a daughter/son thinking yours is what constitutes a normal healthy relationship?

One party mean as possible, the other half spending money hand over fist?

My teens, and children in their 20's know yours is not a healthy dynamic.

Get into therapy, before this loser is living with you.

You went from one abusive relationship into another.
This is financial abuse of you, you just don't realise it.
That you feel so uncomfortable bringing it up is a huge red flag.
Therapy could really help you.

Again, you deserve better than this.
Do it for your child if not yourself.

whyohwhyisitalwayswet · 25/11/2025 21:31

Hayley1256 · 25/11/2025 21:22

Agree you scale it down and also clarify with him about gifts for DC's, is he buying your DS something etc. You need plan when your going to talk to him about how to make things fairer ( although I'm firmly in the camp of LTB and quite annoyed on your behalf). You could even ask chatgpt how to raise this with him

Yes, I do want to check about DC. I was a bit miffed on my DC's behalf that he hadn't gotten him a gift. He did ferry him and his friends to bowling etc on the day, so he is there doing acts of service, so feels churlish to make a point of a gift. But perhaps I need to expect more, as all of you have been saying!

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whyohwhyisitalwayswet · 25/11/2025 21:29

Hotflushesandchilblains · 25/11/2025 21:22

If it is a cost you would incur anyway - the rental or his car - that does not count towards what you do together.

Otherwise, you need to be able to have a clear conversation about finances and come to an agreement. Too many couples are reluctant or inhibited about discussing money but it should be a basic discussion and reviewed on an ongoing basis.

Its kind of weird that its often harder to talk about money than sex.

It is interesting you should say that, because we have talked about sex but not so much about money...! And, he was receptive and we sorted it out. Let's see if that is also the case with money...

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whyohwhyisitalwayswet · 25/11/2025 21:27

SunnySideDeepDown · 25/11/2025 21:20

Have you jumped from your ex to this relationship? I’m wondering if your ex being the way he was is making you feel grateful for anything better. Half the population of single guys will be better than your ex, it doesn’t mean you have to accept incompatibility just because he’s otherwise nice.

Money and showing love is a huge part of life. Think very carefully what this transactional relationship is doing to your life. Is that what you want?

To answer your question, I met my DP three months after the relationship with my ex ended, and with therapy and support (including from DP, and good friends) I have grown stronger through these last years. I did very much feel grateful for my DP, given my ex, especially initially, but there are lots of good things in the relationship too. I do have to have a conversation with my DP.

Part of my problem is that I'm reluctant to raise issues. I used to with my exH, and he would gaslight me, yell, scream, deflect etc, so every situation got immeasurably worse once I raised an issue. Makes me nervous to raise an issue - I've worked on that, and have gotten more comfortable raising things with my DP (because he is usually receptive), but this money thing I have added cringe-issues raising.

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