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Has Reeves hit a new low- saying it's misogyny?

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Christmaspuddingsss · 25/11/2025 07:59

I couldn't believe I was reading this today.

She accuses her critics of being against her budget plans because she is a woman. (But ignores the number of U turns she's done because of the criticism from back benchers)

Using the 'misogyny' card is really desperate IMO.

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Tkmaxxx · 25/11/2025 15:42

Frenchues · 25/11/2025 15:34

Not the language to be used by the shadow cabinet against the government.

Have you ever watched parliament debates? They ALL sit around insulting and yelling at each other

Frenchues · 25/11/2025 15:34

Tkmaxxx · 25/11/2025 15:28

Oh and I just google it and found there’s more!

“It must be generally plausible that if having a baby out of wedlock meant sure-fire destitution on a Victorian scale, young girls might indeed think twice about having a baby.
And yet no government – and certainly no Labour government – will have the courage to make the cuts in the safety net of the viciousness required to provide anything like such a deterrent. For the reality, surely, is that nine times out of 10 these girls will go on having babies out of wedlock not because they want to qualify for some state hand-out, but because, in their monotonous and depressing lives, they want a little creature to love.”

but sure “scum” is a big deal

Not the language to be used by the shadow cabinet against the government.

Tkmaxxx · 25/11/2025 15:28

senua · 25/11/2025 15:24

didnt boris Johnson say children of teen mums are aggressive bastards and she was responding to him seeing as she was a teen mum?
I've no idea about the BJ quote. I only know what Rayner said.
It was silly of her to use such intemperate language because, as ever, it's always the retaliation that people remember. And it doesn't exactly make her look good - she should listen to the 'when they go low, we go high' mantra.
I believe she was made to apologise for it.

Oh and I just google it and found there’s more!

“It must be generally plausible that if having a baby out of wedlock meant sure-fire destitution on a Victorian scale, young girls might indeed think twice about having a baby.
And yet no government – and certainly no Labour government – will have the courage to make the cuts in the safety net of the viciousness required to provide anything like such a deterrent. For the reality, surely, is that nine times out of 10 these girls will go on having babies out of wedlock not because they want to qualify for some state hand-out, but because, in their monotonous and depressing lives, they want a little creature to love.”

but sure “scum” is a big deal

Tkmaxxx · 25/11/2025 15:25

Frenchues · 25/11/2025 15:23

Calling people scum is unbecoming. I met a Tory backbencher who is very close friends with a Labour backbencher. Angela Rayner was at the Labour backbencher's birthday party and asked him "oh god. Why did you invite the Tory MPs?"

She's deeply unpleasant.

Calling her son an aggressive illegitimate badtard is very unbecoming. She obviously just made it political after boris Johnson’s (a Tory mp) rude comment

I dont vote labour but can’t say I blame her

senua · 25/11/2025 15:25

Yes I would “scum” is hardly that bad
A word to the wise; it is that bad. Don't use it.

senua · 25/11/2025 15:24

didnt boris Johnson say children of teen mums are aggressive bastards and she was responding to him seeing as she was a teen mum?
I've no idea about the BJ quote. I only know what Rayner said.
It was silly of her to use such intemperate language because, as ever, it's always the retaliation that people remember. And it doesn't exactly make her look good - she should listen to the 'when they go low, we go high' mantra.
I believe she was made to apologise for it.

Frenchues · 25/11/2025 15:23

Calling people scum is unbecoming. I met a Tory backbencher who is very close friends with a Labour backbencher. Angela Rayner was at the Labour backbencher's birthday party and asked him "oh god. Why did you invite the Tory MPs?"

She's deeply unpleasant.

Tkmaxxx · 25/11/2025 15:21

EasternStandard · 25/11/2025 15:17

If another politician had called Rayner it would you say the same?

Yes I would “scum” is hardly that bad considering mps yell and screech at each other every day in parliament. What boris Johnson said about aggressive illegitimate bastards is obviously far ruder. And she was just responding to that or should she just have let such a nasty comment stand about her son?

EasternStandard · 25/11/2025 15:17

Tkmaxxx · 25/11/2025 15:10

No but parliament is full of mps jeering and shouting at each other. “Scum” is hardly unusual

didnt boris Johnson say children of teen mums are aggressive bastards and she was responding to him seeing as she was a teen mum?

I think that’s much ruder than “scum” which is pretty vague and meaningless really

If another politician had called Rayner it would you say the same?

Tkmaxxx · 25/11/2025 15:10

senua · 25/11/2025 15:04

Er, no. Are you?
Do you go round calling people 'scum'?

No but parliament is full of mps jeering and shouting at each other. “Scum” is hardly unusual

didnt boris Johnson say children of teen mums are aggressive bastards and she was responding to him seeing as she was a teen mum?

I think that’s much ruder than “scum” which is pretty vague and meaningless really

senua · 25/11/2025 15:04

Tkmaxxx · 25/11/2025 15:00

Are you being sarcastic?

Er, no. Are you?
Do you go round calling people 'scum'?

Tkmaxxx · 25/11/2025 15:00

senua · 25/11/2025 14:57

Scum is very tame
It is an appalling thing to say.Shock

Are you being sarcastic?

senua · 25/11/2025 14:57

Scum is very tame
It is an appalling thing to say.Shock

ACynicalDad · 25/11/2025 14:54

There is some misogyny, but she’s done fashion shoots which I doubt any male chancellor has done, or Maggie for that matter. Can’t fully say treat me like you do the booked when you bring femininity into the role yourself.

Differentforgirls · 25/11/2025 14:52

hazelnutvanillalatte · 25/11/2025 14:43

The particular prisoner actually raised the issue of housing male prisoners, esp those with sexual offences, in the female estate. For the length of their sentences. Which Sturgeon supported.

But I love your 'supporting vulnerable women's rights makes you thick' jibe. So much empathy and enlightenment!

Have you ever spoken to a scottish woman who has been in prison?

Differentforgirls · 25/11/2025 14:51

hazelnutvanillalatte · 25/11/2025 14:43

The particular prisoner actually raised the issue of housing male prisoners, esp those with sexual offences, in the female estate. For the length of their sentences. Which Sturgeon supported.

But I love your 'supporting vulnerable women's rights makes you thick' jibe. So much empathy and enlightenment!

The whole point is that they weren't "housed"!

hazelnutvanillalatte · 25/11/2025 14:43

Differentforgirls · 25/11/2025 14:15

A Daily Express reader opines. It was 24 hours in isolation in cortonvale for the SPS to decide where to place them as per the UK Equality Act. They were moved the next morning to a men’s prison where they remain. Nicola Sturgeon had no part in any of the decisions as she doesn’t work for the Scottish Prison Service.

The particular prisoner actually raised the issue of housing male prisoners, esp those with sexual offences, in the female estate. For the length of their sentences. Which Sturgeon supported.

But I love your 'supporting vulnerable women's rights makes you thick' jibe. So much empathy and enlightenment!

Differentforgirls · 25/11/2025 14:15

hazelnutvanillalatte · 25/11/2025 13:27

For the length of his sentence? Did you not hear about this major news story?

A Daily Express reader opines. It was 24 hours in isolation in cortonvale for the SPS to decide where to place them as per the UK Equality Act. They were moved the next morning to a men’s prison where they remain. Nicola Sturgeon had no part in any of the decisions as she doesn’t work for the Scottish Prison Service.

Tkmaxxx · 25/11/2025 14:12

peanutbuttertoasty · 25/11/2025 14:02

‘Wasn’t that bad’… is that the benchmark for a ‘great’ politician? How depressing.

It was Grossly exaggerated and spun out of proportion, a complete witch hunt most likely caused by reeves leaking Rayners private business.
I mean why was the photo of her on a float in the sea vaping front page of the news for a week straight? And when she said “scum” in parliament? Big stinking deal they all sit around yelling and insulting each other in parliament. Scum is very tame

Frenchues · 25/11/2025 14:09

Southernecho · 25/11/2025 13:39

Hypocrisy? never heard of it!

The Tories took personal and general taxation to the highest levels since the 1950s, their freezing of tax thresholds will lead to pensioners paying tax on the state pension.
They also took debt to almost 100% of GDP

Any of the traditional views of the Tories and the economy are dead an buried.

I like Rayner too but regardless of jealousy or leaks, Rayner was the author of her own mis fortune but her actions would only be hypocrisy IF she avoided tax deliberately, so far HMRC have not decided (or we don't yet know)

Edited

COVID and lockdown happened

Frenchues · 25/11/2025 14:04

Southernecho · 25/11/2025 13:19

He led the country to Eat out to help out, causing extra deaths & costing billions, wrote off 11billion in Covid fraud and led us too a recession in the last 6months of 2023.

As a banker, he bet against the UK and helped cause the Global financial crisis.

As an almost billionaire, he has no idea what ordinary people have to contend with ie He went without Sky as a child.....

Eat out to help out did help hospitality at the time. There was always going to be second wave and another lockdown. It was inevitable.

He did a lot with furlough and tried to support businesses during lockdown. Yes there was always going to be some fraud. But they did the schemes at rush to protect the economy.

As a banker he did what had to do to make money for clients. I think it's good he's a billionaire. It's mostly due to his father in law's wealth.

peanutbuttertoasty · 25/11/2025 14:02

‘Wasn’t that bad’… is that the benchmark for a ‘great’ politician? How depressing.

Tkmaxxx · 25/11/2025 13:46

Southernecho · 25/11/2025 13:39

Hypocrisy? never heard of it!

The Tories took personal and general taxation to the highest levels since the 1950s, their freezing of tax thresholds will lead to pensioners paying tax on the state pension.
They also took debt to almost 100% of GDP

Any of the traditional views of the Tories and the economy are dead an buried.

I like Rayner too but regardless of jealousy or leaks, Rayner was the author of her own mis fortune but her actions would only be hypocrisy IF she avoided tax deliberately, so far HMRC have not decided (or we don't yet know)

Edited

Most individual Tory mps go into it wanting tax cuts doing speeches about it etc it’s part of their philosophy whereas labour politicians do the opposite lecturing us all on paying more tax.

But whatever it’s to be expected at this point.

Rayner was great and what she did wasn’t even that bad. There was a witch hunt I mean why in the lead up to her downfall every day there was an article in the news of her vaping on a float in the sea? Why of all the nice pictures use that one?

TinyHousemouse · 25/11/2025 13:44

I’m not a fan, but the whole “Rachel from accounts” is incredibly misogynistic and does my head in.

Southernecho · 25/11/2025 13:43

Kimura · 25/11/2025 13:41

Exactly. It's no coincidence that the 'Rachel from Accounts' nickname started in the Treasury, presumably when her colleagues began to realize that she wasn't quite the economic mind she portrayed her herself as.

AI says it started in the media and you can bet it wasn't started in the Mirror.