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Is this admission fraud? AIBU to report it?

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grammarmom · 24/11/2025 16:21

Here's the situation.

We live in a grammar school catchment area that gets smaller every year. When we bought our house several years ago, it was very comfortably within the catchment for an excellent local grammar (very high in the league tables), and oh boy was it reflected in the price. Now we're right on the boundary. Among the thirty or so houses around us, some children got in last year and some didn't, literally a difference of a few yards.

Another child on our street, who is in the same class as my DC, only just passed the 11+ (a few points above the pass threshold). We live on the same road, but they are about 50 yards further from the school gate. Based on last year's distances, my child would likely get a place while theirs wouldn't.

Over the weekend, during a sleepover, the child mentioned that her mother has now rented a house much closer to the school to secure a higher priority for admission. The tenancy was apparently signed one day before the cut-off date, making it "legal" for admission purposes. She still owns their original home, but the story being presented is that relatives who were previously "homeless" will now live there free of charge, and all bills and utilities have been transferred into those relatives' names (I strongly suspect that the mother will in fact pay these bills as those relatives are penniless).

She's even moved the children's belongings to the rented property and makes them spend nights there (they hate it). There's no doubt that once the school place is obtained, they will move right back.

This effectively pushes my child down the priority list and means they may now miss out.

Would this constitute admissions fraud? It feels incredibly unfair that someone with £40k to spare for rent can effectively buy their way into a top grammar school, especially when their child didn't perform particularly well in the exam (despite being tutored for hours every day).

Should I report this? I have no more detail apart from what this child told me (and they obviously weren't too sure about some aspects of it due to age).

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lessglittermoremud · 24/11/2025 17:24

Are you sure the actual scores don’t count? Our most local grammar only take the top 1/3 of everyone who took the entrance exam, that is above catchment, the second one if more pupils pass the 11 plus then they have space for, pupil premium pupils are offered a space as the next criteria, catchment comes behind that.

Alittlefrustrated · 24/11/2025 17:24

KarmenPQZ · 24/11/2025 16:32

It feels incredibly unfair that someone with £40k to spare for rent can effectively buy their way into a top grammar school

but you effectively did the same by paying over the odds for a house within the catchment that someone with less spare money than you couldn’t afford. So you also bought your way in. Thats the whole problem with the system

This was my immediate thought too.
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Wickedlittledancer · 24/11/2025 17:24

ledmeup · 24/11/2025 17:20

I guess different parts of the country have very different systems.

Grammars by default have an entrance exam, then places are allocated on a descending list based on highest score down. I am really not sure the op is correct that you just need to pass and then it’s a free for all and solely based on proximity to the school.

NewCushions · 24/11/2025 17:24

More than anyting, I also think these catchment issues, whethe ryou pay to live in a more expensive area to get into grammar or do what your friend has done or whatever, are a bit dodgy all round and just negate the point of grammar school.

And o course it means that even if the catchment is quite big (like ours are, in our looped process), the chances are that overall, the children in those areas in the "richer" areas have a better chance anyway as of course they'll be getting tutoring and all the rest.

Appealpanelist · 24/11/2025 17:23

You need to check the definition of address in the school's admission policy for 2026. For example, some expect families to have lived at the address for sometime and/or to own no other property in the area. Given you say the school is very popular there may well be something in the very detailed notes.

What the note say will define what is fraud or not.

There are admissions experts on Mumsnet including @prh47bridge

Crazybigtoe · 24/11/2025 17:22

Who lived in rental place before them?
Might be it's a flat used year on year for the same thing- so having a child entering from that address may not impact like u expect?

That aside, if I was friendly with the mum and all this happened and you had no clue, then that feels sly to me. All's fair in love and school places, but her not being up front would mean I couldn't be friends.

But she hasn't taken your child's place. She played a better game than you.

Tigerbalmshark · 24/11/2025 17:21

SoftBalletShoes · 24/11/2025 16:56

Seriously. That rent could have bought a crazy amount of extra tuition.

But it wouldn’t buy a private school place for seven years, and that is what people compare it to.

ContinuewithGoogle · 24/11/2025 17:21

Dancingwithweasels · 24/11/2025 17:21

A loss they will have to learn to bear with fortitude

😂😂

ContinuewithGoogle · 24/11/2025 17:21

grammarmom · 24/11/2025 17:18

Thank you! I am flabbergasted that people here don't see the difference. Or maybe pretend not to see.

you need to rent a place, for you or your relatives, or whoever. You have the choice in one in the right catchment, and one where the location is not convenient at all.

Who on earth would NOT pick the catchment house?

And expecting your "friend" to give up on the best possible education for their own child to suits you? Seriously? 😂

NewCushions · 24/11/2025 17:21

morally dodgy, legally fine.

But it does make me wander if this is why the grammar schools in our area have a sort of "circular" admissions policy. It's a bit conplicated but as I udnerstand it from when we were previosuly thinking of sending DD to grammar, if the school takes 180 children, the top 60 are highest marks within the circle closest tot he School. Then the next 30 are the top 30 in area a, next 30 are in the top 30 in area B, then next are top 30 in area C. with each area (which I think are circular) clearly defined. So there's an element of chance -if your area is filled with kids who got a higher mark than yours, tough cheese. Or if your area is filled with kids who got a lower score than yours, great for you.

Dancingwithweasels · 24/11/2025 17:21

grammarmom · 24/11/2025 17:14

Oh absolutely. The friendship is over after this.

A loss they will have to learn to bear with fortitude

ledmeup · 24/11/2025 17:20

Wickedlittledancer · 24/11/2025 17:19

I’ve never heard of a grammar that lets you in irrelevant if scores.

I guess different parts of the country have very different systems.

Wickedlittledancer · 24/11/2025 17:20

grammarmom · 24/11/2025 17:17

It means that all kids who scored above the pass threshold do not get any further priority based on their exact score.

Wow, that’s really unusual. Which school is it exactly?

vincettenoir · 24/11/2025 17:20

Keep your beak out it has nothing to do with you.

Blueysothermother · 24/11/2025 17:19

Double check the small print on the admissions criteria. My local grammar school got wise to people who own big houses a little further away renting tiny flats next to the school and the whole family apparently ‘relocating’ to the tiny flats next just before admissions. They have now added that if you own a house within 20 miles of your named rented address then the owned house will be taken as permanent address for application purposes.

Wickedlittledancer · 24/11/2025 17:19

Tigerbalmshark · 24/11/2025 17:19

We have this issue locally, and the school now say that if you still own a house which was the child’s main residence at any point within the last 3 years, it is that one they count. Because some flats opposite the school were being bought and sold on an annual basis - back on the market every May and as soon as the eldest child was safely on the roll, they would exchange. And the rest of the family would get in on sibling grounds.

Which is fine as either way she’s in catchment,

SatsumaDog · 24/11/2025 17:19

Money talks. To me there’s no difference between what she’s done and what you’ve done. You have both used money to leverage a better chance at getting your child into
a good school. Education can never be a level playing field no matter how much people want it to be.

ledmeup · 24/11/2025 17:19

grammarmom · 24/11/2025 17:17

It means that all kids who scored above the pass threshold do not get any further priority based on their exact score.

That seems weird, I just assume grammars prioritised the top scores regardless.

Wickedlittledancer · 24/11/2025 17:19

ledmeup · 24/11/2025 17:18

So catchment is more important than a great score?

I’ve never heard of a grammar that lets you in irrelevant if scores.

Tigerbalmshark · 24/11/2025 17:19

We have this issue locally, and the school now say that if you still own a house which was the child’s main residence at any point within the last 3 years, it is that one they count. Because some flats opposite the school were being bought and sold on an annual basis - back on the market every May and as soon as the eldest child was safely on the roll, they would exchange. And the rest of the family would get in on sibling grounds.

MissDoubleU · 24/11/2025 17:18

You’re moaning about how you bought a very expensive house in a particular area to secure a particular school. Now someone else who is also suffering with the catchment area reducing has also bought, one way or another, a property location to secure their child a place at this particular school. You can’t see how it’s the same? You’re both using money to secure a place somewhere that those with less money could not.

I for one can’t buy my way into select schools by gaining property in very highly sought after neighbourhoods. Why shouldn’t I be equally pissed off at you for an essentially buying a better education for your child?

I for one say good for them for finding a way around the system. Why should it just be the privileged few with the big bucks who get the reward. Presumably when they bought their original house they did so with the intention of that school. They didn’t decide to reduce the catchment area. They likely aren’t in a position to sell up and buy a few streets closer. So what’s the harm, exactly?

grammarmom · 24/11/2025 17:18

Bananaandmangosmoothie · 24/11/2025 17:16

I don’t think the two are comparable. Buying a home and paying attention to what’s around it (school, train station, countryside etc.) and whether you want to live there is normal behaviour. Moving into a flat for one year to get your child into a particular school and then moving out again isn’t.

Thank you! I am flabbergasted that people here don't see the difference. Or maybe pretend not to see.

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ContinuewithGoogle · 24/11/2025 17:18

grammarmom · 24/11/2025 16:57

Yes, unfortunately the only alternative school for my DC is genuinely crap. And it's not just about one child, if the eldest doesn't get in, the younger two won't benefit from sibling priority (which would counteract the shrinking catchment), so the whole family is essentially f**d.

you do realise that when sibling priority has not been removed completely, more often than not it's sibling priority WITHIN CATCHEMENT, so if yours is shrinking you have no guarantee of a sibling spot.

And fair enough.

You can't be real and genuinely disgruntled that someone is doing exactly what you did, just better than you. You should have bought a house closer to the school, why didn't you?

Wickedlittledancer · 24/11/2025 17:18

Bananaandmangosmoothie · 24/11/2025 17:16

I don’t think the two are comparable. Buying a home and paying attention to what’s around it (school, train station, countryside etc.) and whether you want to live there is normal behaviour. Moving into a flat for one year to get your child into a particular school and then moving out again isn’t.

Did you miss the part about her family coming over and needing somewhere to stay so they get the bigger property and she rents a smaller place as it’s lower cost obvs?

ledmeup · 24/11/2025 17:18

grammarmom · 24/11/2025 17:14

No - it is binary.

So catchment is more important than a great score?