Will the cost of electricity and gas ever come back down again.

The reason "net zero" has pushed up prices is that it required us to close down or mothball all of our coal burning power plants. Some of that capacity was replaced by renewables but most was replaced by gas.

So we have replaced cheap coal with relatively expensive (since the Ukraine war) gas.

I ask again, where is this growth that net 0 is bringing?

Quite aside from the side effect of making the UK a world leader in these technologies (exportable talent) they also make the grid more resilient.

And fans of nuclear, like me (the ultimate zero emissions power) will note the 6 SMRs (not the Miliband TikTok "ASMRs" 😀) that similarly will provide jobs and energy are in the mix.

I have no idea but something needs to be done.
I'm very pi$$ed off about it all ☹️

Nail on the head. People were saying this a decade or more ago. No one listened and costs WILL get higher as more net zero lunacy spreads.

If we reached net zero, how will that impact global emissions? Nada?

Didn't the Exxon plant shut down due to net zero?

People say manufacturing is stuffed due to the high energy prices

Yeah, let's just fuck the planet.

We're 1% of emissions and 0.8% of global population, so we're already pumping out more than our fair share.

The world needs net zero.

It was quite fun though. We loved it. Playing murder in the dark

Or, step up net zero and incentivise solar panels, heat pumps, and battery storage. This is a no brainer - the energy is free/very low cost, controlled by you, and it’s not going to run out. It’s not subject to wars in foreign lands and the costs aren’t going to increase. We’re about to get started on this and I’m only annoyed we didn’t do it sooner.

I mean the current economic situation needs not be majorly caused by net zero and by the energy policy?

I don't think the current economic situation post COVID is due to pro renewable energy policy

What possessed the UK to privatise and sell of so much of its national infra-structure is mind boggleing, rail, energy, steel, housing, wtf were they actually thinking?

Well it really goes back to 1832.

However the point is that if you start interfering in the market you end up back in the 1970s.when things were proper shit. I mean you live a life where your 7 year old child has to get home to light the candles for you and your 5 and 1 year old to get back from nursery and tell me it was better back then. And I will call you a care face liar.

If that’s the case, where is this economic growth you speak of?

Or I don't believe in fairies.

My DD works in energy and in renewables. So I asked her yesterday. She basically agreed with what @SumUp said. She doesn't like the Net Zero bashing in the media and by the right. Makes her feel like what she's doing is worthwhile.

It doesn’t help that the standing charges are so high

talk of also adding extra money to bills to allow companies to write off user debts

us footing the bill for new nuclear plants etc which will be added to our energy bills according to the news the other day

Nailed it.
What possessed the UK to privatise and sell of so much of its national infra-structure is mind boggleing, rail, energy, steel, housing, wtf were they actually thinking?

Now they wonder about most expensive rail prices in europe, powerstations owned by the French, petrolchemical shut, steels been run to the ground and pretty much gone, house prices through the roof!

It should* come down in price when the Ukraine war ends as that was a big driver of the leap in energy rates, but I wouldn't put it past the greedy energy companies to just keep the prices inflated now.

Thank you for explaining it to me.

The basics aren’t terribly complex.

The wholesale cost of electricity is pegged to the cost of the most expensive form of feedstock used to generate it - natural gas. The UK relies heavily on gas imports, and the prices on the international markets are both high and volatile. So as a nation we are exposed.

One can see net zero as investment that will make the UK more energy independent / less reliant on imports. Part of the reason that food costs are so stubbornly high is the high energy costs of producing, storing and transporting food.

If we had an energy industry professional they could educate us

I think it's due to policy costs placed on electricity bills. These costs fund environmental policies.

My understanding is that these aren't that much of the total price. The main thing is the price of gas.

I don’t understand why people knock net zero. I’m not an energy industry professional but we manage commercial energy contracts, so a lot of money rides on the decisions we make. Our commercial solar arrays saved so much each month, I put them on my own house as well. It’s a no brainer if you’ve got a few thousand spare.

Yeah, what a boost. The economy is roaring. Who knew.

You are gullible and naive.

It won’t ever go down though I’d like to see all planning permissions for new build have a requirement that they can produce enough via solar to cover at a minimum of 50% of the average house of its size requirements.

Want an extension? You must install
solar.

overall we as a country rely so much on imports food and energy it’s stupid.

Of course it won’t, there’s no incentive for it to go down. Nowadays, consumers talk about it being ‘cheap’ if the unit price is 25p and the standing charge is 55p a day…that would have been absolutely unthinkable in 2019. These companies make a massive song and dance if they reduce your unit price by 1 pence but it’s never going to get back to what it was pre-Covid. The shareholders wouldn’t like it after all. 🤷‍♀️