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What are your thoughts on Cynthia Erico’s and Ariana Grande’s behaviour?

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Graceey · 22/11/2025 12:01

Obviously this is just light hearted gossip. They’re doing no harm.

But I absolutely fascinated by Ariana’s and Cynthia’s odd behaviour during the press tour for Wicked. They seem extremely close with one another. But I hate to say it comes across very contrived.

Ariana looks and acts like a fragile doll these days. In stark contrast to her previous pop star persona. And Cynthia has seemingly decided to play the role of her protector. It’s all very strange.

They have both lost a lot of weight. But what on Earth has happened to these two during filming?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nyfz2Uz9oI0&pp=ygUSY3ludGhpYSBhbmQgYXJpYW5h

This thread won’t be for everyone. But some of like to discuss the psychological aspects of behaviour. It’s obviously pure speculation

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HeBeaverandSheBeaver · 23/11/2025 10:17

@popcornandpotatoes

Fuck me. The amount of nasty comments in this is shocking.

No one know what it's like to live in someone else's shoes

Mental health can hit at any time. It's doesn't matter that the event was 8 years ago.

Don't make nasty comments unless you have lived it yourself or have a very close relative or friend that's lived it. And I mean really. Not just the neighbour 5 doors down who you chat to once in a while.

It's really really hard both for the person and the supporters. MH is judged. If she had an accident and was unable to walk or lost a limb she wouldn't get this kind of judgement.

All of you just stop! Think about it!

pictoosh · 23/11/2025 09:52

YankSplaining · 22/11/2025 22:13

They’re 32 and 38, which in my mind is a little old for this to be dismissed as “silly young people.”

Must say that surprised me.

Thought maybe they would grow out of performative appearances.

Still think they're silly.

Lunalara · 23/11/2025 09:31

I am concerned about their health as they look like they are in a bad place. Anorexia is not only tough on the body, but very difficult to escape from without constant support. I saw what happened to poor Eugenia on YouTube, and hope so much that they don’t go down a similar path. Having said that, as long as Wicked for good is being heavily advertised, I will put their attitude towards each other down to the film. They will be told to act certain ways for the image of the film.

Slothisavirtue · 23/11/2025 09:22

I was thinking back to when I was anorexic (after a trauma) and actually I remember people becoming very over protective of me. All sorts of unexpected people too.
Nothing to do with race, or being performative, or Hollywood. Just a human instinct I guess.

Bedofroses85 · 23/11/2025 09:07

NotThatWay · 22/11/2025 12:37

Disclaimer: I am white.

I wonder if there's a racist element to all this. The "fierce, strong black woman" trope, combined with Ariana's perceived white weakness.

I wonder if people would be talking about this so much if Cynthia were also white, or if they were both black.

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I believe that yes, people would also be talking about it if they were both white, black or men. The focus is the behaviour, nothing else. As an example, there have been plenty of conversations (not in mumsnet) over the years about the singer from the arctic monkeys and another musician he plays with in their other band. Both straight but display a weird co dependent behaviour in interviews and gigs, sometimes being protective, sometimes being somehow sexual.

Tryingatleast · 23/11/2025 08:59

Another thst thinks Ariana has gone through more than most people ever will. Hope she has some good people in her camp that are looking out for her.

Member984815 · 23/11/2025 08:44

Member984815 · 23/11/2025 08:41

Codependance

It gives ally mcbeal vibes , where the cast got progressively thinner over the life of the series.

Member984815 · 23/11/2025 08:41

Codependance

Ereht · 23/11/2025 08:39

I didn't really know who Ariana Grande was until I watched the first one - so I thought she was always the way she is now. Seeing old videos of her and how she used to be - both how she looked and her personality - has been quite shocking really. Very very different.

The thinness is absurd. And I think irresponsible. Now CE has jumped on board and is also all sternum and ribcage. It's a problem in plain sight, and being complicity encouraged by all the love from the film. And I say that as someone who loves the movies, I just think it's very obviously a massive issue.

Ariana12 · 23/11/2025 08:11

If they hadn't become so actually physically frail, I'd assume it was a huge joke. But looking at them yeesh

BatshitOutofHell · 23/11/2025 08:08

neverbeenskiing · 23/11/2025 05:17

Oh I have no doubt that they form genuinely close bonds with one another, but I think there's also a massive push to create viral 'moments' for social media and this is driving some of the more OTT behaviour. Like Bradley Cooper and Lady Gaga at the Oscars, it was so obviously meant to get everyone talking and speculating about the nature of their relationship. It's done with such intention it comes across as fake even though these are people who probably feel genuinely connected to one another.

Gaga and Cooper probably thought they were “acting” but the rest of the world wanted to make it something real.

Erivo and Grande’s performativity is on another level.

neverbeenskiing · 23/11/2025 05:17

BatshitOutofHell · 22/11/2025 16:34

I reckon the actors really feel this way. They work together in a very intense way which is very different to other workplaces because it's usually for a very short amount of time. In order to be able to do what they do they usually have to tap into their own memories/deep emotions and will often share those with each other. They therefore have an emotional bond that arises from the rehearsal and film making process, which we the audience are not privy to. It's important for the film because it's one of the reasons that they can convey emotions and, perhaps more importantly, make us feel them too.

I think there is also a bit of a wanky thing that happens when their power to create lasting memories, joy and emotions for people from around the world makes them arrogant in a way that is different to other forms of arrogance - iyswim.

Oh I have no doubt that they form genuinely close bonds with one another, but I think there's also a massive push to create viral 'moments' for social media and this is driving some of the more OTT behaviour. Like Bradley Cooper and Lady Gaga at the Oscars, it was so obviously meant to get everyone talking and speculating about the nature of their relationship. It's done with such intention it comes across as fake even though these are people who probably feel genuinely connected to one another.

Raindropsonaprilflowers · 22/11/2025 22:18

nomas · 22/11/2025 12:16

And Cynthia has seemingly decided to play the role of her protector. It’s all very strange.

Why is it strange to protect her friend, OP? Why not criticise the fans who think they own stars so much that they can jump on them. See this video .

https://youtube.com/shorts/6mGHIeV3Smw?si=4dUyQeN8Boa2GDiv

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I think it’s quite well known that Ariana has PTSD after the Manchester bombing. I can’t speak as to their relationship away from the cameras but I feel that it is genuine, and Cynthia truly looks out for Ariana. Her speed and efficiency to protect Ariana really left a lot to be desired from the security. I do wonder if so many people would be questioning the motives of a male who had done what Cynthia did.

YankSplaining · 22/11/2025 22:13

pictoosh · 22/11/2025 17:10

Is this not a simple case of two young women in the public eye being rather affected and silly?

They will tire of it and one another.

Meh.

They’re 32 and 38, which in my mind is a little old for this to be dismissed as “silly young people.”

YankSplaining · 22/11/2025 22:10

I think that one day, someone will write a memoir confirming that they spent the promotional cycle for both “Wicked” movies having a torrid affair with drugs, anorexia, and each other.

Fellontheground · 22/11/2025 21:39

GingerBeverage · 22/11/2025 21:00

Past roles - she and AG are just actors doing acting. It’s not that deep. In a year or two they’ll both be looking and acting differently.

https://www.theguardian.com/stage/gallery/2025/nov/21/wicked-cynthia-erivo-elphaba-stage-musicals-in-pictures

Gosh, had no idea she’d been knocking around this long. She used to look better for sure though she’s no oil painting these days.

JHound · 22/11/2025 21:28

I think they are both weird but that’s Hollywood or “Hollyweird”.

TheKeatingFive · 22/11/2025 21:06

They are both incredibly talented.

The excessive weight loss is a big concern though. Along with Michelle Yeoh. The set of Wicked doesn't appear to have been a healthy environment.

PeonyPatch · 22/11/2025 21:05

They both make me feel very uncomfortable. I don’t like the extreme weight loss. I think size zero is definitely trending in Hollywood again and it’s not a good thing. Bad role modelling.

PumpkinTwistyWindToots · 22/11/2025 21:03

GingerBeverage · 22/11/2025 21:00

Past roles - she and AG are just actors doing acting. It’s not that deep. In a year or two they’ll both be looking and acting differently.

https://www.theguardian.com/stage/gallery/2025/nov/21/wicked-cynthia-erivo-elphaba-stage-musicals-in-pictures

She is really beautiful in that picture. She looks much better with some fat in her face.

lolly427 · 22/11/2025 20:50

The way everyone was fawning over CE on Strictly the week she was there made me want to throw up. It was very bizarre to watch.

HelloPossible · 22/11/2025 20:33

They were incredible singing at the Oscar’s this year. My take -they and PR team are trying to get viral moments trending and get general buzz about the film. It’s working. We can’t underestimate how much time and effort goes into these press tours and thinking about how the stars approach interviews, it’s a strategy. Truth is I think they get on but this is all acting to a certain degree and I don’t discount they are having a laugh and leaning into it. Both are seasoned performers that can turn on a dime.

TidyCyan · 22/11/2025 19:43

RachelFanshawe · 22/11/2025 19:35

Pmsl at the idea that these two stick insects are just too busy to eat 🤣

They are waited on hand and foot! 🤣

I know! And they have been apart for months until October when the press tours started so it's worrying that the group thin-ness is ongoing.

TidyCyan · 22/11/2025 19:42

BatshitOutofHell · 22/11/2025 19:18

How do you know? Filming may have wrapped, but as you can see they are still heavily involved with the film - endless interviews, publicity campaigns; oscar campaigning etc

Ariane Grande both ended and started a relationship during filming - the fallout from that may be ongoing, the relationship may be stumbling. Who knows?

You said "filming schedule" and clearly meant for these films, having mentioned "the men". What that has to do with her getting divorced and starting a new relationship, I don't know.

Cynthia Erivo has been doing things like hosting the Tony awards and 3 night plays here and these since Part 1 came out and Ariana has been recording music. Plenty of time to go back to their own separate nutritionists and personal trainers.

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